Correct, crisis over.
Cameron claims he cares about the most vulnerable
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Correct, crisis over.
"more than 19 out of 20 families hit by the bedroom tax are trapped in their larger homes because there is nowhere smaller within the local social housing stock to take them."
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ce-penalty-for-having-spare-room-8745597.html
there should have been an exception that if they turned down a smaller property only then they should "pay" the bedroom tax. any reasonable person can see that is the right thing to do. the tories purposely didnt add that...
No.
Because you forget the effect of rising GDP, inflation, and currency valuation.
Running a deficit doesn't even mean a debt has to be growing in real terms.
>Imagine a debt of £10,000
>Make a loss (deficit) of £100
>Debt is now £10,100
>But apply inflation (or GDP growth) of 2% to that original debt
>Real debt is now £9,900, including the current year loss.
This is what governments do - balance a deficit by eroding the value of debt. It can go on forever.
I was refuting your hypothesis. You haven't supported your hypothesis at all - it's just hot air. The fact is almost 1 million people used food banks in a year. That's the most ever. Show me some facts that call into question the most obvious reading of that fact.
Sorry i forgot to bring my magnifying glass
It doesnt say anything other than what it is.
Its far far more complicated than "bad tories throwing cripples and old people on the streets".
You know this, we all know this I just dont understand why people just wont come out and admit it.
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This, you're taxing people for an unavaoidable situation caused by the failure of government to ensure adequate housing stocks. It's the equivalent of giving somebody a parking ticket even though you haven't got round to painting the yellow lines yet.
I've always been a floating voter, ever since I turned 18, but the proposal to sell of the social housing stock was the final nail with regards to me voting Tory this time round. Reinstating a Thatcherite policy, outwardly pitched as a carrot for the working classes, which in reality led to a massive payday for private landlords is a joke. It didn't work then, it won't work now, and you're just throwing the most vulnerable families into the feeding pit of the under-regulated private rental market. Don't get me started on their proposal to keep the stock levels static either, will never happen.
The worst part is he'll keep smiling and insisting that he's a champion for the working man and half the Country won't realise he's a wolf in sheeps clothing until it's too late.
Isnt more than 19 out of 20...............20?
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Benefit cheats are a single figure percentage of overall welfare spend.
It's disgusting how they are blanket targeting everyone on benefits with cuts and taxes such as bedroom tax just to make it appear that they doing something about it.
Indeed. There are, after all, only 20 families affected by the tax
Thing is with all this about food banks and not being able to afford to eat is that too many people who live all their lives off the back of the taxpayer make spending choices which put them in the position which means they can not afford to eat.
Like X Boxes, PS4s, the latest £90 Nike Trainers, £80 a month on Sky TV.
These cuts are an excellent thing if it makes people realise they have to prioritise their money which tax payers provide to them, on food, shelter and the basics. This then might make them realise they should get off their backsides and work.
I am more than happy to have part of my tax money to go towards helping those in genuine need and I recognise the above statement does not describe every single person on benefits, but we have too many third generation lifetime dole families in this country who are dragging us down and if the benefit cuts do something to start these people thinking about actually contributing to society then I am all for it. The money saved should however be used to help educate these families on society, work ethic and citizenship. I do think it to be important to protect certain benefits for those genuine cases, but god forbid we ever get back to the Labour days where you basically just had to sneeze and get handout after handout.
Like X Boxes, PS4s, the latest £90 Nike Trainers, £80 a month on Sky TV.
These cuts are an excellent thing if it makes people realise they have to prioritise their money which tax payers provide to them, on food, shelter and the basics. This then might make them realise they should get off their backsides and work.
I am more than happy to have part of my tax money to go towards helping those in genuine need and I recognise the above statement does not describe every single person on benefits, but we have too many third generation lifetime dole families in this country who are dragging us down and if the benefit cuts do something to start these people thinking about actually contributing to society then I am all for it. The money saved should however be used to help educate these families on society, work ethic and citizenship. I do think it to be important to protect certain benefits for those genuine cases, but god forbid we ever get back to the Labour days where you basically just had to sneeze and get handout after handout.
"More than 19 out of 20 families" just struck me a strange way to represent the figures.
Personally more cuts the better for myself for a short term view.
As long as my bins are collected and roads are good I don't need much else.
When it comes to social spending etc etc I'm not really in a position to comment. I don't know what it's like being in that situation.
I personally vote conservative mainly on financial stuff. Can't stand labour and do prefer smaller national debt.
I've always been in favour of cuts to where it is appropriate and to stop the avoidance
One area I'd like to see action however is the out of control private rent + benefit issue where it's a very very few who benefit massively from tax payers due to no real control
As few others have said.. Tories are only ones I trust not to wreck things. Not that they are doing amazing.
As long as my bins are collected and roads are good I don't need much else.
When it comes to social spending etc etc I'm not really in a position to comment. I don't know what it's like being in that situation.
I personally vote conservative mainly on financial stuff. Can't stand labour and do prefer smaller national debt.
I've always been in favour of cuts to where it is appropriate and to stop the avoidance
One area I'd like to see action however is the out of control private rent + benefit issue where it's a very very few who benefit massively from tax payers due to no real control
As few others have said.. Tories are only ones I trust not to wreck things. Not that they are doing amazing.
This applies to the huge number of people NOT claiming benefits and using the food banks as well.
The huge surge over the past few years is not all to do with the evil tories kicking the cripples and the sick out on the street, a large lumber of them are people who have made irresponsible spending choices of their own, and lived off massive unsustainable personal debt.
Its something that people on here crow long and hard about on here "if you cant afford it, dont buy it".
My old man works for a company that does IVAs, he does the home visits.
There are thousands of people out there who are living lifestyles way way above their means and eventually it all comes crashing down around their ears.
60k credit card debt, 30 grand cars, £200,000 houses, on £30k a year.
It has to stop.
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Do you actually think that the unemployed/disabled/sick/injured benefit claimants have all those things?* And don't bother linking Daily Mail article as proof. You can't afford those things on benefits alone.
*ignoring the fraud cases/crime/excessive personal debt - that's a different issue.
The national debt is higher at the moment than it's ever been, and by not doing amazing they have failed to meet every single one of their targets for the economy.
i suppose it is a strange way to show 96%
"For the 38 councils that provided full data, 99,079 families are expected to be affected by the bedroom tax, but only 3,803 one and two-bedroom social housing properties are available – just 3.8 per cent of the homes required to rehouse the families who are hit."
Still think it would have been worse under any other option
As much as I despise the bloke I'd honestly much rather have him in power than the current labour laughing stock that is Ed Miliband, this coming from someone who was brought up to never ever vote conservative as they "closed our mines".