Poll: General election voting poll round 3

Voting intentions in the General Election?

  • Alliance Party of Northern Ireland

    Votes: 2 0.3%
  • Conservative

    Votes: 286 40.5%
  • Democratic Unionist Party

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Green Party

    Votes: 56 7.9%
  • Labour

    Votes: 122 17.3%
  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 33 4.7%
  • Not voting/will spoil ballot

    Votes: 38 5.4%
  • Other party (not named)

    Votes: 4 0.6%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 5 0.7%
  • Respect Party

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Scottish National Party

    Votes: 29 4.1%
  • Social Democratic and Labour Party

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 3 0.4%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 129 18.2%

  • Total voters
    707
  • Poll closed .
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The main problem i have with voting is, i cant trust any of the buggers. There is no real accountability for anything they do. So one party might promise all sorts but they will do a 180 on those "promises" as soon as they get actual power. Happens all the time... thoroughly disillusioned with the entire process...

Don't have a solution either....its a bit of a pickle.
 
Did you mean to quote another of my posts by any chance?
You quoted my one on nuclear weapons..

Yeah where you asked who says or how we know we can't afford sonething then you asked wut which I took to mean you didn't understand that the market dictates what any entity can afford.

The market is how we realise value or set price, price setting being the main factor that dictates affordability.
 
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all the parties are coming out with crazy manifestos they will never stick to.

english politics is broken, they can happily promise the world with no intention of delivering and no one holds them accountable
 
I have been a life long Tory voter and for the first time in my life I really am confused and can't make my mind up to vote .
How
I have a dilemma .

As an Ex serviceman and the fact that I am and will be lucky enough to inherit property UKIP the manifesto Is the logical party choice for me , but if I do vote for UKIP and not Conservative am I not playing into Labours hand .

Heaven help all of if we get a Labour SNP coalition , I think I'll immigrate - or top myself.

Someone help me out please.
 
Yeah where you asked who says or how we know we can't afford sonething then you asked wut which I took to mean you didn't understand that the market dictates what any entity can afford.

The market is how we realise value or set price, price setting being the main factor that dictates affordability.

I can't work out what your going on about.

The market has no bearing on whether we do or don't have nuclear weapons
 
I have been a life long Tory voter and for the first time in my life I really am confused and can't make my mind up to vote .
How
I have a dilemma .

As an Ex serviceman and the fact that I am and will be lucky enough to inherit property UKIP the manifesto Is the logical party choice for me , but if I do vote for UKIP and not Conservative am I not playing into Labours hand .

Heaven help all of if we get a Labour SNP coalition , I think I'll immigrate - or top myself.

Someone help me out please.

Seems simple to me, UKIP won't be any kind of force in politics this election so their manifesto counts for diddly.
So you should stick with Tory for this round, may change in the future but voting for a party that will not influence anything this time round just increases the chance of the wrong result for you.
 
the thing is voting green won't return a government of greens - however it would increase their presence in the chamber - so whilst some of the policies would never be feasible, if the public were to show sufficient support (by voting in greens) then it would slowly affect the policies others are proposing.

This is my issue with using first past the post instead of some form of proportional representation - we will never get a representative chamber when people use their votes tactically to block others, and we are constantly fed the lines that it is a choice between labour/conservative - but really we should be getting told if you weaken their grip by not voting tactically you may eventually end up with more popular policies getting passed by the government of the day.

im starting to feel like this, many good ideas and change has to start somewhere and the rest seem to promising the same tired old ****,

I want to be able to choose to buy products and services from multi-nationals, not have my country run by them of have no choice but to be fleeced for public transport, energy and public services etc.

change has to start somewhere and I want to vote for things I believe in instead of fear of the other party.
 
Well, if it's a poll from a specific website it just means that most Unilad readers vote that way, which judging by the content is hardly a surprise.

Mirror polls seem to do this as well, I just assumed that UKIP have got some volunteers clicking "UKIP" as many times as possible.
 
Shocked to see UKIP in front to be honest.

UKIP always do very well and frequently in front in internet based polls, OCUK is one of the rare occasions where it's not. Even the mirror polls have UKIP in front!

What cannot be ignored is that fact this is based on over 74,000 people.
 
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I don't especially want to get embroiled in specific issues, but my general feeling towards them from just glancing through their website, is that they have a bunch of great ideas, dreams and ideologies, such as returning the rail system into public hands and reducing rail fares by 10%, building 500000 new social houses, building towards complete reliance on renewable energies....I could go on....but how exactly are all these wonderful plans to be afforded?

All great ideas, but completely unfeasible and it makes them come across as naïve and I won't be the first or the last say that.

The thing is with the green party is their ideas go far beyond what other parties try to do.
Other parties are only interest in getting power and propose populist short term polices to win votes and purportedly make some sub-section of societies lives better in the short term with an absolute disregard for the long term effects of those policies or the global picture of humanity. They only care about getting in power for the next 5 years.

The greens don't want to get in power this election and unlike the UKIP have no delusion that they would be a significant player. The Green manifesto is about long term improvements to British society, the environment and humanity in general. They don't have populist votes that will win a a 5 year stint where they can deplete resources faster, pollute more heavily and degrade social issues further just to win voter share and keep some subset of voters, say pensioners, happy. The Green manifesto cares about you, your children, your grand children, great grand children, and the the people on the planet which we share. Does that mean you might have to pay some more taxes in the short term and make small sacrifices in short term living quality to enable a more equal society and a healthier environment and more proposers society in the future, heck yes.


The Greens are realistic in their current potential and don't suffer delusions of grandeur, their manifesto doesn't have to be airtight at this stage in their progression. It is still more fiscally robust and realistic than other fringe parties like UKIP. Their purpose now is to increase support, increase awareness of alternative longer term visions and improve the balance of political point scoring to longer term objective improvements in our lives.


Lastly, one thing people tend to ignore is the Greens are very open that their policies would require an increase in taxation, especially from the richest. That sends some selfish parasites running but is something I fully approve of. The caveat is that the increase in taxation will generate a large increase in the quality of life for generations to come. And that is my beef with the current UK system, taxes are already high but the quality of life just isn't there. I look toward the Scandinavian countries; I much prefer to pay a little more tax and get their standards of living. For the UK quality of life then that can be achieved with less taxation.
Many of the finances also come about due to efficiency changes and wholesale restructuring of the economy and social welfare. Things like a Citizens income can greatly improve efficiency, why tax the poor just to give money back to them? There are many hidden benefits to looking after the poor that reduce costs, a higher quality of life for the poorest in society will result in less crime, higher productivity, increased GDP per capita, smaller prison capacity with reduced costs, reduced health costs, better educational outcomes etc.


people always pick up on individual polices such as slowly removing nuclear power generation and then go off on an uneducated rnat and rave about it. the fact is Wind, geothermal, hydro and soon solar power all generates electricity at a lower costs with less Co2 and no toxic waste. I like Nuclear power but it isn't really sustainable, why pay more money for nuclear and end up with a load of radioactive waste when you can get clean renewable energy for less cost?
 
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UKIP always do very well and frequently in front in internet based polls, OCUK is one of the rare occasions where it's not. Even the mirror polls have UKIP in front!

What cannot be ignored is that fact this is based on over 74,000 people.



I can't remember the last time UKIP topped any dependable poll, if they ever have done!

I don't see a single UKIP poll that has beaten Labour or the Tories, so they have never polled better than 3rd since 2010, even in individual polls let alone the average which is consistently along way below the Big 2.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinio...#/media/File:UK_opinion_polling_2010-2015.png


May2015.com has UKIP down to 12.3% which the lowest I have ever seen there. There are several polls now showing UKIP to have taken another sharp dip since their manifesto was launched, and too right, it was an absolute shambles. UKIP themselves admit that their polling is not going well and have radically reduced the number target seats down to 10.
 
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Mirror polls seem to do this as well, I just assumed that UKIP have got some volunteers clicking "UKIP" as many times as possible.
Polls from sources which attract a certain reader type are not that reliable in isolation.

If New Scientist created a poll we would see UKIP drop down into single figures.
 
^ Excellent post D.P.

"phase out nuclear power" taken from their website. Why?

Lovely ideas, but completely impractical and ludicrously expensive to achieve. If the private sector managing the lines and trains at the moment are thinking they are having a hard time, what hope does that give for a rail system that is returned to government control?

The great thing about the Greens is they decide all their policies democratically. If you think Nuclear is a good idea (I do too) you can go along to a conference and put it forward. Convince enough members and that will be the party policy. Simple as that.

Also to answer your railways question specifically, I can think of a few benefits over having them in the private sector. One is keeping a lid on exec pay - the boss of First group for example used to pay himself £1.9 million a year. The boss of Network Rail (govt owned) Mark Carne for comparison gets £675k. Still a lot but not taking the **** quite as much. Not paying dividends to shareholders would be another saving.
 
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