Happy St George's Day!

ubersonic said:
I'm not trying to be a jerk, but nothing you quoted there disproves what I said. Lod was a Roman city in a Roman province when he was born there. He joined the Roman army and was a guard to the emperor.

You can't claim he was Greek just because his daddy was, that's just silly.
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Yes, I can. When someone has a Greek mother and father, that person is Greek. The fact the Roman Empire ruled over the Greeks does not change this fact. In fact, I am not even sure George would qualify as a Roman Citizen as they had quite strict citizenship laws.
 
scorza said:
I spent the morning procrastinating putting together a list of significant English people to celebrate St George's Day
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You missed out that Henry VII was the first welshman to become king of England and it was he that used his influence on both sides of the border to begin amalgamating the two countries into the kingdom of England and Wales (work completed by Henry VIII).

Also you can sort of blame those two for the St George cross being adopted as the flag of England and Wales.
 
ubersonic said:
I'm not trying to be a jerk, but nothing you quoted there disproves what I said. Lod was a Roman city in a Roman province when he was born there. He joined the Roman army and was a guard to the emperor.

You can't claim he was Greek just because his daddy was, that's just silly.
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so, lets say your english father and english mother give birth to you in Italy, are you Italian? i guess not :D

He was of greek origin, his name is Greek just like mine and means farmer
 
Thompson_NCL said:
Yes, I can. When someone has a Greek mother and father, that person is Greek.
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1: Not if they're not born in Greece, having foreign parents allows you to claim their nationality in addition to your own, but the is no evidence that George ever did that. In addition the fact he served not just in the Roman army but served in the emperor's guard attests that he embraced his Roman citizenship.

2: His mother was also born in the Roman empire, not Greece.


Thompson_NCL said:
The fact the Roman Empire ruled over the Greeks does not change this fact.
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He was not born in Greece, he was not even born in modern day Greece. He was born in what in what was then Palestine (and part of the Roman region of Syria Palaestina) and is now modern day Israel.

His only connection to Greece was his fathers birthplace.
 
Look at these happy English citizens celebrating with their friends :)

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So what is is St George Day?

Is it a holiday? How come i've never heard of it? Wait, is it another xmas celebration?
 
St. George died because he refused to accept the Roman's ruling that Christian Roman Soldier's should be arrested or sacrificed by non-Christian soldiers to the Roman Gods. He was executed for refusing bribes and land to try and change his mind and make him renounce his beliefs. He's worshipped by many cultures and countries, and happens to be our patron saint too!

If there's any lessons to be learned from this; it's that the intolerance to other religions and cultures by those in power is something we should always resist, especially as it's still happening today. Our countries overall diverse, liberal attitudes are something that has built the country into the place we live in today, based perhaps on St. Georges principles, something to be proud of despite the challenges it creates in society.
 
ubersonic said:
1: Not if they're not born in Greece, having foreign parents allows you to claim their nationality in addition to your own, but the is no evidence that George ever did that. In addition the fact he served not just in the Roman army but served in the emperor's guard attests that he embraced his Roman citizenship.

2: His mother was also born in the Roman empire, not Greece.

He was not born in Greece, he was not even born in modern day Greece. He was born in what in what was then Palestine (and part of the Roman region of Syria Palaestina) and is now modern day Israel.

His only connection to Greece was his fathers birthplace.
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Are you trolling me?

His father was Greek, his mother was Greek. The fact they were living in the Roman Empire is irrelevant. Indians living in the British Empire didn't stop being Indian.

The fact they were both Greek is evidenced by their names. If they were actual Romans, they'd have had Roman names. NOT Greek names. The Greeks dominated this region for thousands of years, although this specific City was known to have been home to a large Jewish population which was killed/expulsed.

Roman citizenship was pretty much limited to those who were actually born in Rome. Now things did change as the Republic/Empire grew and I am not sure of the exact status of things in this period, but it seems extremely unlikely he'd have been regarded as a Roman actual.
 
Being 1/4 English I can only celebrate 6hrs worth of St George's day. So I may have a beer, and a curry, and pick a fight with someone who supports a random football team, urinate in the street, and throw up on myself. :p
 
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