body shaming gone too far? (***warning*** Daily Fail Story ***warning***)

As a gym goer, and holding above average nutritional knowledge, taking supplements as part of a decent diet is not detrimental and in some cases can be beneficial. The store is just a typical supplements store, they want you to buy their products. No product should be taken alone without looking at your entire nutritional intake (i.e. whole foods). However, shakes, and meal replacement can give you nutrients without bulking yourself out with excessive calories.

The fitness model will have a knowledge of diets/nutrition and will be working along side nutritional experts and professional trainers etc. so I doubt that her nutritional intake is below recommended amounts - her blogs suggest a pretty good diet actually despite being vegan.

The body in the advert is not exaggerated at all - my gym has many women and men that could appear on the cover of magazines - if I weren't so hairy I may even be in with a shot! :eek:

It is all perfectly achievable and realistic - that's what people don't understand, but also are not willing to sacrifice to put the effort in to actually achieve their goals.

My point is that there has always been a huge amount of people who live long and happy lives without being gym goers.

I am not calling anyone who has the time/determination to spend in the gym and fair play to those that do and learn about nutrition.

Similarly, those who are overweight to the point it affects their health specifically, need to do something about it.

What I am saying is that there are a large number of people who, though simple self control and sensible lifestyle (walking that mile to work instead of taking the car) are perfectly healthy, balanced people. To get that models body (and the same for the man in the ad campaign) you need to really work at it, it isn't a NORMAL human body, it's been forced into that state through repetitive exercise and effectively clinically controlled nutrition intake. But, whether people want to or not, they take in that body image and when they don't see it in the mirror SOME will have a negative feeling towards themselves.

True, that then may lead to them taking up the gym lifestyle and getting that body, but the point here is that publicly displayed adverts shouldn't make people feel like they HAVE to do that. As long as they are healthy then who is society to tell them what they should look like? And those who deny the negative mental implications, especially on younger minds, of this sort of imagery are deluding themselves. We are forming a youth that is stressed about every little thing, including whether they are "ripped" or not. This is not a healthy state of society...

These ads are made all the worse by referring to the whole "beach body" thing when in fact they should be saying "do you have a body so toned that, once air brushed and artfully photographed in a controlled studio environment makes somebody look at it and think 'wow', if not then you need to spend a good 6-10 (at least) hours in the gym working out very hard to a set regime per week and control your diet to within a minute detail", but it will never say that as a) it's not snappy enough and b) it won't sell protein powder...

A far better solution is that this sort of advertising is only allowed in targeted publications (e.g. Men's Health) and places where people are not going to be passively exposed to it. That doesn't mean they can't have an advert up in a tube station, it just needs to be far more factual and less visually impacting.
 
Love it how in shape people have to be accepting of these whales, but said whales don't have to be accepting of in shape people.
 
Love it how in shape people have to be accepting of these whales, but said whales don't have to be accepting of in shape people.

Love it how "in shape" people have to refer to out of shape people as "whales".

Frankly, there needs to be more understanding on both sides. It takes a lot of work to get a well toned body and fair play to those that do. Similarly, if you are overweight to the point it affects your health then you need to sort that as well and going to the gym more often may be a good idea.

What is always missed are those normal people in the middle. Those who are healthy and able to live a healthy life without the need for augmenting their exercise using gym equipment or controlling their intake in a hugely considered way.

It is very possible that those people are the ones objecting to this campaign and yet this automatically makes them a "whale"?
 
Love it how "in shape" people have to refer to out of shape people as "whales".

Frankly, there needs to be more understanding on both sides. It takes a lot of work to get a well toned body and fair play to those that do. Similarly, if you are overweight to the point it affects your health then you need to sort that as well and going to the gym more often may be a good idea.

What is always missed are those normal people in the middle. Those who are healthy and able to live a healthy life without the need for augmenting their exercise using gym equipment or controlling their intake in a hugely considered way.

It is very possible that those people are the ones objecting to this campaign and yet this automatically makes them a "whale"?

Alright, Daily Mail mode switched off now. :p

Why object? What is wrong with that advert? A dietary supplement is being advertised by someone who obviously works out, that's like having kids advertise toys, or a stair lift being advertised by a pensioner.
 
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Whilst I agree fatties should eat less and get more exercise, I still have a little sympathy for them.

I eat a lot, and I mean a lot, and I am still only 11st. And its not like I do any exercise. I consider myself very unfit as I get knackered during a 30 min kick about on a five a side pitch. I can't think that I do that much physical exercise at all actually. Where as the mrs, well she eats less than me, walks the dog more, doesn't really drink booze (unlike me!), and is chasing around after our 14mth year old, yet she can't shift the weight that she wants to.

Someone explain me that!?
 
Probably has something to do with promoting a unrealistic figure, most likely been airbrushed / shopped to ****.

this and everything else too

the images portray unrealistic figure

HOWEVER

If you are happy with your figure why does the advert annoy you?
It shouldn't bother you.

People with genuine medical problems fair enough I can sympathise but you still need to focus on how you see yourself. Even if you Physically can't do anything about it.

Love yourself etc being a SJW over the interwebs and getting all in a rage over it doesn't solve anything especially not your issue with your self image.


Most of us don't care the internet just makes non issues seem like more of an issue. Plus anything the daily fail can do to avoid discussing politics just before an election.
 
Why object? What is wrong with that advert?

He feels the advert normalises unattainable figures and showcasing in public will trigger people... :rolleyes:
Ignoring, that it's a fairly attaniable and desirable body figure, albeit with some work/sacrafices. He also thinks most the complants come from those who aren't themselves whale, but just healthy healthy.
 
Please see my above posts for an in depth set of reasons I think the advert is wrong.

Fair enough, but the advert isn't telling anyone to do or feel anything. It's using an in shape person to sell products designed to assist people getting in shape. As I say that's like having kids advertise toys, or a stair lift being advertised by a pensioner.

People who do not have self confidence issues won't feel offended, as they are happy with themselves. If they aren't happy with themselves then they should do something about it.
 
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He feels the advert normalises unattainable figures and showcasing in public will trigger people... :rolleyes:
Ignoring, that it's a fairly attaniable and desirable body figure, albeit with some work/sacrafices. He also thinks most the complants come from those who aren't themselves whale, but just healthy healthy.

I never, not once, said it was an unattainable figure.

I said it was not a NORMAL figure, very different things.

If you are going to turn to me and say that the physiques of that woman and the man in the ad campaign are normal physiques that typical HEALTHY daily life will produce then, unless you are a (reasonably healthy eating) lumberjack and everyone you know is a lumberjack, I think you are wrong. The human body does not look like that unless you subject it to hours and hours of rigorous and repetitive exercise.

I am not suggesting if that is what people want to do with their time that the majority of bodies can't look like that, I'm suggesting that for those in society who want to focus on other things, as long as they are healthy in their general lifestyle, then why should they be made to feel inferior?

Take a look at the way people looked a mere 50-60 years ago, trawl the web and find some pictures of the typical British man in the 50s, note the complete change in muscle mass and general body shape. Are those who have better defined muscles these days healthier? Arguably no, they are in fact more likely to develop strain injury and later on suffer from degeneration linked to repetitive movement. But, society is saying this is the norm, it is not the norm, it takes a SPECIFIC process and significant time and effort to get to that point.
 
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Fair enough, but the advert isn't telling anyone to do or feel anything. It's using an in shape person to sell products designed to assist people getting in shape. As I say that's like having kids advertise toys, or a stair lift being advertised by a pensioner.

People who do not have self confidence issues won't feel offended, as they are happy with themselves. If they aren't happy with themselves then they should do something about it.

I am suggesting that, unfortunately, people are more susceptible to subliminal thought processes than anybody would ever like to think. We all like to think we are in complete control of how we think, but it simply isn't true and this has been proven time and time again scientifically.

I am suggesting that this kind of advertising is the kind of thing that leads to so many girls and women (and boys and men...) starving themselves in order to obtain a body that is perceived to be normal but in fact demands huge commitment and may not even be physically possible for some.

Adverts have a social and moralistic set of grounding rules for this very reason, I believe this set of adverts surpasses these and so support them being banned.

I have no problem with the manufacturers informing people of the technical nature of the product and what they believe it can do, there is just a complete lack of transparency in this campaign and a selling of dream that is nowhere near as "normal" and obtainable as the simplistic nature of the representation leads the naiive to believe.
 
As long as it didn't require your face to be in the shot, no one needs that putting them off their shake.

I'm kidding please don't ban me, we all know your a handsome bear

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My point is that there has always been a huge amount of people who live long and happy lives without being gym goers.

Nothing wrong with that and hopefully this will continue to be the case. However, remember we aren't designed to sit down at a desk for hours, we are designed to move and walk about - so as long as people do that there will never be an issue.

I am not calling anyone who has the time/determination to spend in the gym and fair play to those that do and learn about nutrition.

Didn't think you were :)

Similarly, those who are overweight to the point it affects their health specifically, need to do something about it.

Absolutely agree.

What I am saying is that there are a large number of people who, though simple self control and sensible lifestyle (walking that mile to work instead of taking the car) are perfectly healthy, balanced people. To get that models body (and the same for the man in the ad campaign) you need to really work at it, it isn't a NORMAL human body, it's been forced into that state through repetitive exercise and effectively clinically controlled nutrition intake. But, whether people want to or not, they take in that body image and when they don't see it in the mirror SOME will have a negative feeling towards themselves.

Her body isn't abnormal, remember she is a model after all so she will be in the top percentile of physical fitness/body shape, but I agree it is skewed away from the standard deviation curve of "regular" non model people. However, people who are not interested in being uber fit or getting to that level should not therefore be bothered about that picture surely? If you feel crap about yourself when you see a picture of an alpha male or female then it means you do want to improve - so go ahead and do it. Or else just accept and be happy with what/who/how you are and don't bemoan people that make a catchy slogan based around getting fit for the beach. It's like any other gym vernacular, e.g. "suns out guns out" or "curls for the girls" etc...


True, that then may lead to them taking up the gym lifestyle and getting that body, but the point here is that publicly displayed adverts shouldn't make people feel like they HAVE to do that. As long as they are healthy then who is society to tell them what they should look like? And those who deny the negative mental implications, especially on younger minds, of this sort of imagery are deluding themselves. We are forming a youth that is stressed about every little thing, including whether they are "ripped" or not. This is not a healthy state of society...

I don't think the advert implies that you HAVE to be like that - well not to me anyway. It's aspirational, to me it says that she's thinking "I'm beach ready.... are you?" Whether that means you're a size 16 or size 10 as long as YOU are ready and happy with how you've prepared to be beach ready then that's all the challenge is. I know people will interpret it differently though. My wife doesn't get the fuss over it either neither do many (most) of my female friends.

I understand what you mean about impressionable minds, however I don't know why this is more prevalent now than it was or even if it is? Is this a reflection of modern society and if so is then should we try and do something about it? I don't think it is about conformance, people need to learn to be more confident and happy about their bodies - and if they want to improve it then do it, if they're happy then there's no issue surely?

I accept that there is a societal push for a "perfect" body, but surely that's aspirational rather than a defining conformance?

These ads are made all the worse by referring to the whole "beach body" thing when in fact they should be saying "do you have a body so toned that, once air brushed and artfully photographed in a controlled studio environment makes somebody look at it and think 'wow', if not then you need to spend a good 6-10 (at least) hours in the gym working out very hard to a set regime per week and control your diet to within a minute detail", but it will never say that as a) it's not snappy enough and b) it won't sell protein powder...

I know a lot of pictures are photoshopped, but even so if you look at her blog, and selfies and videos that are not photoshopped, she still clearly looks like she puts a huge amount of effort to be the way she is.

Ultimately, this is a supplement advert, so they are trying to push a product - it's no different to any other advert - in fact this one actually uses a model who does exercise and probably takes supplements, so it's related and at least relevant, unlike some adverts for say cat food that contain a women in little clothing (I'm being a little flippant).

A far better solution is that this sort of advertising is only allowed in targeted publications (e.g. Men's Health) and places where people are not going to be passively exposed to it. That doesn't mean they can't have an advert up in a tube station, it just needs to be far more factual and less visually impacting.

I agree that a "before" and "after" shot saying that with the help of Protein World's supplements, and an improved lifestyle I was able to lose xx lbs and I feel "beach ready". Or something like that might have been a bit better.

Thing is there will always be elitism in the world - it's one of those things, I know I will never be in the upper echelons of hunky men, but I don't really care. Women need to learn to have that same approach.
 
I am suggesting that this kind of advertising is the kind of thing that leads to so many girls and women (and boys and men...) starving themselves in order to obtain a body that is perceived to be normal but in fact demands huge commitment and may not even be physically possible for some.

And there we have it, it's always someone else's fault. You're saying it's not the individuals fault for knowing that a healthy diet and exercise regime will help them lose weight, but choose to do it the unhealthy way by starving themselves. That is squarely on them, that advert isn't encouraging anyone to starve, it's doing the opposite, it's encouraging them to eat things, in this case protein powder.

Adverts have a social and moralistic set of grounding rules for this very reason, I believe this set of adverts surpasses these and so support them being banned.

I don't, they in no way encourage unhealthy practices, that is lazy/stupid people who do that, despite knowing the healthy way.

I have no problem with the manufacturers informing people of the technical nature of the product and what they believe it can do, there is just a complete lack of transparency in this campaign and a selling of dream that is nowhere near as "normal" and obtainable as the simplistic nature of the representation leads the naiive to believe.

How is that lady's body in no way 'normal' & obtainable?
 
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Seems pretty positive to me:

"I am a real person behind the image. I work very hard and live a healthy and active lifestyle which is why Protein World chose me for their campaign. I couldn't work every day as a full time model by starving myself, dieting or not looking after my body. Nourish your body, be kind to it and it will love you right back, no matter your size,"

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The point here is that there is a huge difference between someone who is "normal" (i.e. look back not that far to what women and men looked like in the 50s, take Marilyn Monroe as a good example) and someone who works out at the gym multiple times in a week and eats less than the recommended amount of calories daily for their gender and also supplements that with processed protein powder.

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You've got no problem with the above image then I presume?

Also, the ProteinWorld model in question eats the calorie requirements that her body needs, if she ate less she would eventually die.

I don't think anyone has a problem with people being a healthy weight for their height, what people have a problem with is adverts like these that promote an exaggerated version of the human body as the norm and make (especially young) women (and it should be said too, men) feel inadequate about themselves at an almost subconscious level.

Who are these people? Do you mean yourself? I don't know anyone who aspires to be average. I personally want to look like Schwarzenegger, driving a Koenigsegg, killing sharks with a light sabre. Why aspire to be anything less?

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If someone feels inadequate when they look at someone with a better body, job, house or car then that's their problem.

A far better solution is that this sort of advertising is only allowed in targeted publications (e.g. Men's Health) and places where people are not going to be passively exposed to it. That doesn't mean they can't have an advert up in a tube station, it just needs to be far more factual and less visually impacting.
Are you from Tumblr? Do you want a trigger warning on everything?
 
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You've got no problem with the above image then I presume?

amusing thing with that is she is often used as an example of 'curvey' women being desirable back in the day, in reality she was usually a size 8 and maybe size 10 when a bit curvey... and she actually had curves not piles of excess fat
 
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