Expectancy of working past hours

agnes said:
When I had my first catch up with my boss, he brought it up. Basically stated that he had seen me leave on time and it's not the done thing here (ignored the 2 weeks of me coming in MUCH earlier than needed as I wanted to give a good impression), and that it's expected if I'm to receive any form of bonus.

The bonus amount isn't stated and naturally, no one is giving up how much they get (and too right, I wouldn't).

The nature of the work means there is always work in the queue of things to do. If it's absolutely critical, but in this instance, it really wasn't but I already was pushing my time.
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lol, fantastic boss. Tell him to fire you if he can prove your breaching the contract, which you aren't.

I'm all for sticking around if a job is happening, but being penalised and demoralised for leaving when your day officially finishes is a load of tripe.

It's the standard 'only notice the bad things and not the good things'.
 
if he's in his probation he can just chose to not keep him

you can ask about potential bonus during interview - at least rough percentages

you can also ask about what hours the team normally works
 
Delvis said:
lol, fantastic boss. Tell him to fire you if he can prove your breaching the contract, which you aren't.

I'm all for sticking around if a job is happening, but being penalised and demoralised for leaving when your day officially finishes is a load of tripe.

It's the standard 'only notice the bad things and not the good things'.
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Yep -- sign of a crummy manager. Nothing you ever do will be enough. However long you stay behind each day, it'll never be enough. All they'll ever 'see' is you leaving; doesn't matter what time it may have been.

That's a toxic work environment. Best you can do is try your best to move on. Sucks that you're in probation, as even if you stand by your contractual rights they can still just decide that you're not giving them enough free labour and let you go.
 
When I worked in recruitment you had to sign a waiver before they employed you to say you were happy to work over 50 hours a week. Leaving on the dot definitely would have been frowned upon unless you had a valid reason, like open heart surgery.

I also worked for local government in the past and it was the complete opposite. I'd be gone on the dot. Management really don't care about you, so why should you for them. Work doesn't stop, but it will still be there in the morning, and there was no real pressure.

It depends on the industry I guess. Haven't got to the end of the thread yet :D
 
Haggisman said:
Then they should pay for them. It's not like the OP is getting paid a huge salary to reflect the fact he is expected to work those extra hours...
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if you're really not happy with the salary then don't take the job

maybe the role offers potential for advancement or new skills that would be valuable with 2-3 years experience - in which case you do it and negotiate for more money each year or jump ship for a big increase elsewhere once you've got some experience

lots of people are looking at this as erm contract says X if he works longer than contract he should get more... that just isn't how it works in reality in that industry - if you don't like that idea then best avoid that sort of job
 
Yeah didn't read the bit about being in probation, I sometimes wish I didn't make it past probation :p
 
dowie said:
They generally do. I've not heard of extra holiday being offered (aside from days in lieu for working Saturdays) and he specifically mentions 'not a high street bank' - it is rather rare that someone isn't working more than 7.5 hours a day in a large commercial or investment bank.

Your location says Birmingham - working for a 'bank' there is rather different to working for a large bank in London.
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I've previously worked for one of the big 4 at above mid-level on the commercial side, working remotely but frequently in sites across the UK including Canary Wharf with a good view of the O2 (narrows it down).

I knew what was expected and what reward you could get if you exceeded that (bonuses based on everyone that achieves that level ...not capped). It was my choice whether I wanted to work harder for more OR sit back a bit. As long as those expectations were aligned and neither of us were left disappointed. Which though our posts sound on different wave lengths, we actually agree on.

PS. You're probably find more banks then you realise work out of Birmingham these days. HSBC / RBS & DB to name a few.

In addition to that, most roles these days location means nothing. If you want the role / money / experience, you have to be flexible...as does the employer to find the right people. (I'm sure you knew this already)
 
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tlrBeta said:
PS. You're probably find more banks then you realise work out of Birmingham these days. HSBC / RBS & DB to name a few.
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not the same thing - if you're working in a technology centre in Glasgow or in some model validation role in Budapest or back office role in Birmingham the culture(and often pay) will be very different... AFAIK DB has some sales people who perhaps deal with corporate treasurers from organisations in the midlands/north etc.. and the rest is back office
 
never work for free.

your boss won't do anything for you for free apart from sack you when you make 1 little mistake.
 
dowie said:
no they just generally require longer hours, if you don't want to work longer
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then pay for the longer hours, or hire more staff. Either the mangers are idiots because they've understaffed themselves or the staff are idiots for working for free.



stick to public sector, pay by the hour roles or less demanding roles in other sectors
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i get paid more than the op and i only work 4 days a week lol and start and leave bang on the minute.

heck our boss wont even start the start of shift meeting till the exact miniute cause we wouldn't listen lol.


I'll stick to properly managed private sector thanks ;)
 
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Tefal said:
heck our boss wont even start the start of shift meeting till the exact miniute cause we wouldn't listen lol.


I'll stick to properly managed private sector thanks ;)
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I don't think that attitude would get me very far.
What you show here just shows a bad attitude or lack of genuine interest in your work.
 
You wont fine me staying late unless i am asked. And if i am asked i then put it on overtime or come in late or leave early the following day.
 
PudWud said:
I don't think that attitude would get me very far.
What you show here just shows a bad attitude or lack of genuine interest in your work.
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I turn in over target hours each shift.

so no instead of staying late and still not finishing work i finish all my work an do a bit extra during my shift.
 
I often work back and often for free to get a job done or written up.

I can be ordered to stop on although it isn't a regular thing and is usually for critical/major incidents or high risk concerns.
 
I'm literally always working an hour+ extra every night at a minimum. It's then norm in the city.

Most people get in early and leave late. It's wrong but the only way to remain competitive.
 
it should be all give and take.
work longer, then either get the time off or get paid for it or get a big bonus or like my first ever boss let me order pc hardware through the company :cool:

sadly this doesn't seem to happen in big companies. Certain jobs require you to work longer days / it is expected, however for a £33k job that's unjustified in my opinion.
 
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