Security guard injured in Texas Muhammed cartoon conference

Good example of how these violent radicals should be treated, well done USA.

DJMK4 said:
Sounds like they were trying to provoce a reaction here, couple down, nice job
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I wondered the same, it's an excellent trap to purge extremist retards.
 
Xordium said:
We shouldn't be humouring such ill-educated nonsense we should be stamping it out in the aim of progress. Look how well Western civilisation did when it removed the shackles of the church.
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This whole issue is largely about intolerance for other peoples beliefs however silly they might be, aslong as they aren't inflicting them on other people people should be free to believe whatever they want.

At extremes ridiculing someone's beliefs is just as bad as shooting at someone(s) for ridiculing their beliefs.
 
SciNeT said:
Good example of how these violent radicals should be treated, well done USA.



I wondered the same, it's an excellent trap to purge extremist retards.
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It is interesting how quickly police in full combat gear responded.

(Then again if I was an official and aware of such an event taking place in my town I'd have them on standby to).
 
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Tunney said:
Just because the other side is wrong doesn't mean that you're automatically right.
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well there is nothing wrong per say with drawing a cartoon of mohammed... granted they're likely right wing nutters trying to bait people but the cartoon itself isn't 'wrong'... if we start getting conditioned into accepting that anything that might 'offend' followers of a particular religion is 'wrong' then we're not really embracing free speech... which is protected not to protect speech that everyone in mainstream society is happy with but to protect speech that people will get offended by and kick up a stink about

some atheist societies at uk universities got into hot water for wearing 'jesus and mo' t-shirts at freshers fairs for example, that sort of thing shouldn't be an issue, especially at a university of all places
 
Xordium said:
Unfortunately when you champion basic moral and ethical principles you have to commence with those who are in all likelihood arguably least deserving of your attention. Freedom of speech for those who say things people don't like, removal of the death penalty for people who have committed heinous crimes, etc.

So yes it is about Freedom of Speech. The Freedom to say stupid stuff and not get shot for it. I find the notion that there is a god pretty offensive but I don't go shooting churches and mosques up - I respect the fact people see things differently to me and only get irate if people try and ram that rubbish down kids throats at school in place of proven science.
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I'm not saying that freedom of speech should be restricted to prevent these attacks. What I'm saying is that organising an event in which you attack the beliefs of a large group of people, the extremists in that group are likely to respond. Similarly, the girl in your example significantly increases the chances to get assaulted. This doesn't mean society should restrict what girls can wear, it just means that each girl should apply common sense when she chooses a route late at night.
 
Rroff said:
This whole issue is largely about intolerance for other peoples beliefs however silly they might be, aslong as they aren't inflicting them on other people people should be free to believe whatever they want.

At extremes ridiculing someone's beliefs is just as bad as shooting at someone(s) for ridiculing their beliefs.
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So some people aren't tolerant, that in no way justifies taking a bullet.
 
RDM said:
Really? In what way can ridiculing someone's beliefs be as bad as shooting someone?
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At extremes they are both inflicting your will on another person - being critical of someones beliefs is one thing outright mocking/belittling and ridiculing another.

(Saying they are as bad as each other doesn't really convey what I'm saying though - I consider both equally a waste of oxygen - those who express their intolerance with a gun and those who express is through bullying or other extreme means).

OldCoals said:
So some people aren't tolerant, that in no way justifies taking a bullet.
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Not saying it justifies taking a bullet.
 
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Dis86 said:
Totally agree with the second paragraph. Lol. Always been my take on it.

The first one however, yes the situation was unnecessary but it's still their right to draw, mock and discuss whatever they want And they should be able to do it without provoking any response like that. What it should encourage is further debate!
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Agree but I wouldn't say people have a right to mock others or their beliefs. I would say that when it's individuals or mobs it's emotions over sense but when it's linked to groups like AQ or IS it's them trying to make a point against the West
 
Raz said:
Agree but I wouldn't say people have a right to mock others or their beliefs. I would say that when it's individuals or mobs it's emotions over sense but when it's linked to groups like AQ or IS it's them trying to make a point against the West
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Yes, they do.
 
OldCoals said:
Yes, they do.
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No, they don't. Civilised people do not need to mock to get their points across and should be able to engage in debate. Mocking others isn't a right, otherwise we would say it's ok for children to mock others because it's an inherent right.
 
Skunkworks said:
On paper maybe, but if you mock Muslims you'll get murdered, and if you mock Jews you'll get prosecuted. Everyone else is fair game though.
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You can mock Judaism if you want... tis just a belief. There is a big difference between say abusing/mocking an individual because they are say a Jew and mocking the set of beliefs they hold. Ditto to any other religion/group.
 
Raz said:
No, they don't. Civilised people do not need to mock to get their points across and should be able to engage in debate. Mocking others isn't a right, otherwise we would say it's ok for children to mock others because it's an inherent right.
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Well prime ministers questions would certainly have to change if people went by that rule... Have I got news for you, publications such as Private Eye and a whole number of political cartoonists would be out of work.

Fortunately free speech is a right
 
dowie said:
well there is nothing wrong per say with drawing a cartoon of mohammed... granted they're likely right wing nutters trying to bait people but the cartoon itself isn't 'wrong'... if we start getting conditioned into accepting that anything that might 'offend' followers of a particular religion is 'wrong' then we're not really embracing free speech... which is protected not to protect speech that everyone in mainstream society is happy with but to protect speech that people will get offended by and kick up a stink about
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Do you really think that these people did it for any other reason than to bait Muslims?

Being an a-hole is your right in America but you're still an a-hole.
 
Tunney said:
Do you really think that these people did it for any other reason than to bait Muslims?

Being an a-hole is your right in America but you're still an a-hole.
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From a quick glance there doesn't seem to have been anything too inflammatory (to any rational person/entity) to be fair - couple of them were borderline but most were expressing an opinion rather than descending into ridicule or insult.

We have a right (fortunately) to mock people - that doesn't mean its the right thing to do.
 
Its not even about mocking, its about depicting Mohammed at all. They know this was likely to provoke some kind of reaction, its not even been 6 months since the Paris attack ffs. Had anyone involved gotten killed I'd have no sympathy to be honest, its just sad that a security guard was injured through their short sightedness and stupidity.
 
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