Security guard injured in Texas Muhammed cartoon conference

[Xordium]

This whole issue is largely about intolerance for other peoples beliefs however silly they might be, aslong as they aren't inflicting them on other people people should be free to believe whatever they want.

At extremes ridiculing someone's beliefs is just as bad as shooting at someone(s) for ridiculing their beliefs.

I understand what you are saying but the problem here is that the so called ridiculed in this case is something that is "alien" to our culture. And the actual lampooning is part of your culture.

It is a mockery of a religion when on one hand it's advocates can perform such atrocities whilst at the same time ignoring the whole if you kill one you kill all humanity angle. That in itself is worth mocking. It's like Cameron saying we are all in it together. It's stupid to say and deserves mocking. That is part of the British humour and has been for generations.

What about my right to not have logic and science mocked by the affronting religious texts. I have to tolerate that don't I.

There is fundamental (no pun intended) difference between an event like this and then taking those pictures and waving them in the faces of Muslims outside mosques. The later is confrontational at best the former merely insensitive. And again there was no need to be offended - they chose that path like another few million Muslims in American chose to go Meh and go on with their normal daily lives.

 

[SciNeT]

Do you really think that these people did it for any other reason than to bait Muslims?

Being an a-hole is your right in America but you're still an a-hole.

But those Muslims should still be expected to act in a non-violent manner. If they can't do that, then it's positive proof that they don't belong in the West, there's plenty of 3rd world litter boxes where they can behave like barbaric animals, do it over there.

 

[Vulcan]

At extremes they are both inflicting your will on another person - being critical of someones beliefs is one thing outright mocking/belittling and ridiculing another.

Why can't I mock someone's belief? All ideas and theologies should be, and are open to criticism, satire and ridicule.

I'll laugh and mock the absurdities of religion in the same way I laugh at people peddling cold fusion and ghosts.

 

[Rroff]

What about my right to not have logic and science mocked by the affronting religious texts. I have to tolerate that don't I.

You shouldn't have to tolerate that either (granted that is somewhat idealistic)

Personally religion and where it tries to inflict itself on other people sickens me and I'd like nothing better than for it to be stamped out but at the same time I'm quite happy for people to believe in whatever they want aslong as they keep it to themselves. Science is a bit different though in that regard as the merits of it can be demonstrated to anyone half intelligent to see the facts for themselves.

 

[Xordium]

Personally religion and where it tries to inflict itself on other people sickens me and I'd like nothing better than for it to be stamped out but at the same time I'm quite happy for people to believe in whatever they want aslong as they keep it to themselves.

And I agree with that and that is the problem here people aren't happy to keep it to themselves and have attacked a group of people because of that. But we should not acquiesce to such behaviour we should poke it and prod it to shine a light on its intolerance and inability to fit into modern cultures when it is practised as such.

We have a load of Muslims on these forums of differing beliefs and whilst they would say it was provocational and likely to cause offense they wouldn't shoot people over such a cartoon. Until people are merely offended then it is maybe right to push the issue until people are clear even if the wrong people are doing it for the wrong reasons in this case. It is obvious why such an event was staged - to provoke a reactions - and whilst such reaction occur, that are so not in line with what modern culture should accept, then we should continue to ridicule.

Given time people will see they were stupid hopefully like the way Christians got the Life of Brian banned. Kind of seems daft know because it was daft. That was provocative and offensive too allegedly. But it worked.

 

[Tefal]

Going out of your way to arrange a sponsored draw their prophet competition is trolling in the extreme. .

Every day near every newspaper has a cartoon taking the **** out of politicians is this "trolling in the extreme" ?

 

[Danthus]

Should we stop doing what we have done for hundreds of years just because a small minority will kill you for it.

Absolutely not.

 

[deuse]

It looks like some dick head named Mohamed Abdullahi Hassan asked his other nut jobs to do it.

Just goes to show that there is one born every minute

 

[OhEsEcks]

Saw this posted on Reddit and it gave me a chuckle.

 

[deuse]

Saw this posted on Reddit and it gave me a chuckle.

PMSL

 

[shadow_boxer]

Agree but I wouldn't say people have a right to mock others or their beliefs. I would say that when it's individuals or mobs it's emotions over sense but when it's linked to groups like AQ or IS it's them trying to make a point against the West

I agree.

 

[Raz]

Well prime ministers questions would certainly have to change if people went by that rule... Have I got news for you, publications such as Private Eye and a whole number of political cartoonists would be out of work.

Fortunately free speech is a right

Maybe we need to think about how we go about things then. Or do you think mocking others, particularly their beliefs, is a civilised thing to do.

Free speech may well be a right, but even that has restrictions.

 

[Danthus]

Maybe we need to think about how we go about things then. Or do you think mocking others, particularly their beliefs, is a civilised thing to do.

Free speech may well be a right, but even that has restrictions.

Using the word civilised is quite interesting don't you think.

 

[Tefal]

Maybe we need to think about how we go about things then. Or do you think mocking others, particularly their beliefs, is a civilised thing to do.

Free speech may well be a right, but even that has restrictions.

so you'll be protesting against all the mocking of politicians and political parties then?

 

[Raz]

Using the word civilised is quite interesting don't you think.

Yes.

so you'll be protesting against all the mocking of politicians and political parties then?

I don't think we need to mock them to be honest. Just because it's done doesn't mean it's right. In the religious context the minute you mock the Prophet it becomes difficult to establish dialogue with the masses. But it's also about being possessive - for consistency Muslims should object when any prophet is mocked.

 

[Danthus]

Civilised people don't killed people because someone draws a cartoon.

 

[Raz]

Civilised people don't killed people because someone draws a cartoon.

Yes.

When I was at school my friend drew a picture of a bully's mum and promptly got beaten up.

 

[dowie]

Maybe we need to think about how we go about things then. Or do you think mocking others, particularly their beliefs, is a civilised thing to do.

Free speech may well be a right, but even that has restrictions.

Yes mocking beliefs falls well within what is reasonable.

The right to freedoms of speech isn't needed to protect speech that everyone is happy with anyway, it is there to protect speech that some will object to or want to silence.

Yes there are restrictions such as shouting fire in a theater, inciting racial hatred etc... but objecting to/attacking a belief/view is rather fundamental to democracy whether it is done in a crude way or a polite way.

 

[C.R.A.Z.Y]

Civilised people don't killed people because someone draws a cartoon.

Indeed, neither do they though cheer and behave so flippant about said peoples death!

 

[Mynight]

Can you truely have free speech when imposing restrictions?

I'm personally disgusted by both parties in this aspect.