Transexual using female changing rooms?

estebanrey · 12 May 2015 at 20:30

Dimple said:
There are Trannys and then there are Trannys[/IMG]

..and both are spelled 'Trannies'.

dowie · 12 May 2015 at 20:30

esoteric said:
The part where women have breasts and men don't. I used sexual as an identifier between a man and a woman, then used sex biased the next sentence. A breast is an organ, therefore it's a sexual organ?

I didn't say it was a reproductive sexual organ.

I think you'll find men have breasts too and nipples

SexyGreyFox · 12 May 2015 at 20:40

estebanrey said:
..and both are spelled 'Trannies'.

It depends, just type it into Google.
Either spelling will get you where you want to go.

Thekwango · 12 May 2015 at 20:40

esoteric said:
The part where women have breasts and men don't. I used sexual as an identifier between a man and a woman, then used sex biased the next sentence. A breast is an organ, therefore it's a sexual organ?

I didn't say it was a reproductive sexual organ.

no it is not a sexual organ, to be a sexual organ it must aid or take part in sexual reproduction. you are a prime example of how society has been taught to view the body.

esoteric · 12 May 2015 at 20:41

I knew this would devolve into semantics and I won't do it.

dowie said:
I think you'll find men have breasts too and nipples

Obviously, it's not the same is it. Where do you keep your bra's then, do you sometimes put on your wife's bra by mistake?

mattyfez · 12 May 2015 at 20:43

Most fitting rooms I have used are universal/unisex, collect tags for the amount of clothes you want to try, go into a curtained cubicle, decide whether it fits or not, come out of cubicle to see how it looks in a bigger mirror if you want.

I don't see how sexual orientation has anything to do with buying clothes :confused:

D.P. · 12 May 2015 at 20:43

esoteric said:
I knew this would devolve into semantics and I won't do it.

Obviously, it's not the same is it. Where do you keep your bra's then, do you sometimes put on your wife's bra by mistake?

If a women doesn't wear a bra do they turn in to a man?

George Hincapie · 12 May 2015 at 20:43

Just have unisex changing rooms. All problems solved.

Akagi · 12 May 2015 at 20:43

Dimple said:
It depends, just type it into Google.
Either spelling will get you where you want to go.

I think I'll pass. But thanks.

dowie · 12 May 2015 at 20:45

esoteric said:
I knew this would devolve into semantics and I won't do it.

hardly just semantics... the other poster was making a legitimate point - female nipples need to be covered in public, male nipples don't

Obviously, it's not the same is it. Where do you keep your bra's then, do you sometimes put on your wife's bra by mistake?

bra use is rather irrelevant, it is the nipple that seems to be the part that shouldn't be exposed on a female... female celebs are often photographed with no bra, cleavage, side boob, under boob etc.. on display.... but if they expose a nipple - like janet jackson did at the Superbowl, then there is uproar

Efour · 12 May 2015 at 20:47

Dont care. Much more important things in the world.

esoteric · 12 May 2015 at 20:48

Thekwango said:
no it is not a sexual organ, to be a sexual organ it must aid or take part in sexual reproduction. you are a prime example of how society has been taught to view the body.

Sexual - Adjective - Of, relating to, or characterized by sex or sexuality

Sexuality being female, female have breasts, a breast is an organ, it can be(and is) characterized as a sexual organ.

teaboy5 · 12 May 2015 at 20:49

I think in the likes of a swimming pool used by all ages, it wouldn't be fair on a mother to have to explain to their 5-6 year old why that man is walking around the changing room with their bits hanging out.

Sega Mega Dave · 12 May 2015 at 20:50

If my son told me he was gay, I'd initially be upset but I could live with it and welcome anyone he bought home.

If he was like the subject being discussed I'd be ashamed.

Thekwango · 12 May 2015 at 20:51

esoteric said:
I knew this would devolve into semantics and I won't do it

What are you talking about, it's nothing to do with semantics. It's to do with facts and perceptions. We've been educated to find the female breast sexually stimulating, but why? It plays no actual part in sexual reproduction. Quite easily, if you were brought up in a way that sexualised let's say the arms, if you walked down any town in summer you would feel uncomfortable with the amount of exposed 'sexual organs' and let's face it the arms play about as much a part in sexual activity as the female breast does.

esoteric said:
Where do you keep your bra's then, do you sometimes put on your wife's bra by mistake?

What?? And I mean that in all seriousness. What are you on about? Please explain this line.

Devrij · 12 May 2015 at 20:53

esoteric said:
I knew this would devolve into semantics and I won't do it.

Obviously, it's not the same is it. Where do you keep your bra's then, do you sometimes put on your wife's bra by mistake?

Look, the point here is that breasts are not sexual organs, nor even reproductive in that sense. They have nothing to do with sex, only with feeding offspring. So your connection with the female nipple/breast to sex as a forbidden topic is false.

Not anything to do with semantics here.

Given that all they do is produce milk (often only once or twice in a lifetime, I should add, not regularly), why is it forbidden to show them in public, when my useless nipples aren't? Doesn't make much sense does it? Culture often doesn't, but since we are slowly throwing off the shackles of modern religion and its oppressive moral regime (not that all of it is bad, I should add), isn't it time we took stock of our other hangups? I mean, we seem to be heading in that direction anyway since it's not uncommon to see girls out with nothing but their nipples covered, why not just go the whole hog and recognise that bodies aren't shameful or to be hidden, regardless of their shape or the organ's function?

Thekwango · 12 May 2015 at 20:55

esoteric said:
Sexual - Adjective - Of, relating to, or characterized by sex or sexuality

Sexuality being female, female have breasts, a breast is an organ, it can be(and is) characterized as a sexual organ.

Men have breasts. A breast is not a unique characteristic of womanhood. Are feet a sexual organ? Many people are aroused by them, don't make them a sexual organ.

If you feel the need to look up words online, look up the definition of a 'sexual organ'

mattyfez · 12 May 2015 at 20:57

teaboy5 said:
I think in the likes of a swimming pool used by all ages, it wouldn't be fair on a mother to have to explain to their 5-6 year old why that man is walking around the changing room with their bits hanging out.

I can't see an issue with swimming pools and gyms and the like having cubicles, or at least partitions, a person can just have a shower at the side of the pool to wash quickly, if you need to wash any more vigorously than a quick rinse then you should have probably showered before you came. No pun intended

EDIT: hell, even a lot of nightclubs have unisex toilets these days.

Nitefly · 12 May 2015 at 21:04

Thekwango said:
What are you talking about, it's nothing to do with semantics. It's to do with facts and perceptions. We've been educated to find the female breast sexually stimulating, but why?

Breasts are one of the most obvious traits of sexual dimorphism in humans and as they are sexually selected for. Sexy boobs equals sexy grand children. The notion that we are 'educated by society' as males to find breasts attractive is totally absurd - the attraction is genetic. Equally absurd is the notion they are not a 'sexual organ'.

Random trivia time - enlarged breasts are found during periods of lactating in primates, which is also a signal that females are unable to reproduce. It's hypothesised that enlarged breasts were selected for by our ancestors as it encouraged monogamy by hiding the tell tale signal of when females were unable to reproduce - hence 'tricking' males into thinking they were always ready to reproduce and providing for them, benefiting those females with larger breasts, leading towards the sexual dimorphism we see today.

semi-pro waster · 12 May 2015 at 21:16

Thekwango said:
not sure where my post gave the impression that I thought a homosexual man/woman in same sex changing rooms were going to start throwing themselves at any and all nekkid body they see?

There was nothing specific in your post, but it was to forestall one of the usual daft arguments raised which always seems to imply that gay men in particular are unable to control themselves.

Thekwango said:
let me ask a question, genuine this time......

if someone is, i'll use the word generally attracted to the same sex as the room they are changing in, is it ok for them to be there?

if you answer yes, then I assume you have no issues with a male changing in a ladies changing room as long as there is no one in there they are specifically attracted to, converse is true for women in a mens changing room???

if the answer is no, then your post for the most part is irrelevant

So I'll play along and say yes, I've got no problem with people getting changed in the same changing rooms as me regardless of whether they're attracted to my gender or not. The issue of whether there are individuals of the opposite gender in the same changing room (I'm assuming for this purpose you mean one without cubicles) is one that might feel culturally odd and/or awkward so I'm sure some people will feel uncomfortable but that aside there's no real reason why it should matter provided everyone manages to behave themselves.

The first two paragraphs of my post related to your comments, the last one didn't and was to note that the article actually explained the store policy wasn't implemented correctly there nor that this is likely to be an issue whereby a heavy-handed approach is needed.