The labour Leader thread...

ubersonic said:
Ahh, attempting to mock because you can't think of a logical counter argument to the points, I thought more of you than that Rob :(
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It was more the style of the post as i was reading it, it started to sound like that **** take of Rent at the start of Team America but instead replace the words 'Everyone has Aids' with 'Everyone is Racist'
 
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The Unions didn't fancy him as leader and if you don't get their backing you're a lame duck. He wouldn't have won and possibly wrecked any future career he had in politics ( who would support someone who came 3rd or 4th in a leadership contest?) Chuckster saw the writing on the wall and backed out before he lost credibility. Very slippery politician/lawyer thing to do to cover himself for a future role.
 
BBC said:
The MP, 36, said in a statement that he was not comfortable with the level of pressure and scrutiny that came with being a leadership candidate.

Mr Umunna also cited concerns about the impact of the bid on his family.

The BBC's Nick Robinson says Mr Umunna has been distressed by the level of scrutiny on him and his family.
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What a crybaby! It's a good job he withdraw his candidacy now before Labour got stuck with some wussy, wimp who can't hack the pressures that come with being the leader of the countries 2nd political party.

I guess unless someone comes out of know where it will either be Copper or Burnham.
 
ubersonic said:
Sadly if he does that's more likely to benefit the Tories than Labour.

The are, regrettably, a lot of racists in the UK, and if he becomes leader you can bet that most of the racists that voted Labour in 2015 will not do so in 2020, also most of the former Labour voting racists that defected to UKIP in 2015 will not swing back.

To add insult to injury it is impossible for Farage (or whoever leads UKIP in 2020) to stand in a leaders debate with Chukka and go on an anti immigration rant without looking like a total fool or a racist, which means a lot of the former Tory voting non-racists that defected to UKIP in 2015 will swing back.
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your forgetting of course how massively racist the black community is...
 
subbytna said:
Chuckster saw the writing on the wall and backed out before he lost credibility. Very slippery politician/lawyer thing to do to cover himself for a future role.
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which i think is a good thing for him. i'm yet to like labour enough to vote for them, but i think chuka running for labour leader now is the wrong time and would be a waste of one of the few labour MP's i actually don't mind listening to. Unless something drastic happens between now and the next election, i'm so sure conservative will win again. David Cameron has said he won't stand for a third term. I'm sure Boris will get the role and will be in a position where money is now coming in to pay off the debt and it would have been for the last 2 years, so they will shout loudly how spending will be happening because of conservative action and there will seem like there is plenty to go around. the hard work will be done now let's enjoy it and i am sure the voters will go for this and conservative will be back in power, perhaps with an even greater majority.

chuka running now will be wasting his chance. he will be a good fighter but i'm sure whoever becomes next labour leader will be fighting a losing battle as they wont have a chance of power for at least 10 years, and then lets say they eventually wni, that's another 5 years to commit to in power at least, perhaps 10 in power, that's potentially a 20 year commitment from now if chuka wants to actually keep fighting until he's in power and go for more than 1 term.

i think the best thing would be harriet harman becoming the offical leader and staying with it for the next 5 years. lose the next election, and then let a real potential take over at that point, when we are no longer talking about cuts but instead spending the money the country now has.
 
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which i think is a good thing for him. i'm yet to like labour enough to vote for them, but i think chuka running for labour leader now is the wrong time and would be a waste of one of the few labour MP's i actually don't mind listening to. Unless something drastic happens between now and the next election, i'm so sure conservative will win again. David Cameron has said he won't stand for a third term. I'm sure Boris will get the role and will be in a position where money is now coming in to pay off the debt and it would have been for the last 2 years, so they will shout loudly how spending will be happening because of conservative action and there will seem like there is plenty to go around. the hard work will be done now let's enjoy it and i am sure the voters will go for this and conservative will be back in power, perhaps with an even greater majority.

chuka running now will be wasting his chance. he will be a good fighter but i'm sure whoever becomes next labour leader will be fighting a losing battle as they wont have a chance of power for at least 10 years, and then lets say they eventually wni, that's another 5 years to commit to in power at least, perhaps 10 in power, that's potentially a 20 year commitment from now if chuka wants to actually keep fighting until he's in power and go for more than 1 term.

i think the best thing would be harriet harman becoming the offical leader and staying with it for the next 5 years. lose the next election, and then let a real potential take over at that point, when we are no longer talking about cuts but instead spending the money the country now has.
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I can't get my head round BJ being the PM.

It just seems like it shouldn't be possible/allowed.
 
StriderX said:
He's a far more intelligent man than most Politicians...
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Don't doubt his intelligence, he has no common at all and and no one should ever be in charge of the country with hair like that. Only Kim-Jong-Il could possibly save him from having the worst leaders haircut in the world.

He also seems very easily confused.
 
robfosters said:
I can't get my head round BJ being the PM.

It just seems like it shouldn't be possible/allowed.
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Most of us have a good giggle when he announced his intention to run for London mayor but he soon showed just how good a politician he really is and how everyone especially his opponents under estimated him.

PermaBanned said:
Well, nobody with half a grasp on macroeconomics isn't going to deny that because they quite simply didn't overspend.
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They had a golden chance to reduce this countries debt to GDP ratio and instead they spent it instead and because of the resection our debt to GBP won't even hit that level for over a generation. Thanks to this policy we now pay nearly as much in interest on debt as we spend on our armed forces, this is what people want to see Labour acknowledge.
 
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robgmun said:
It was more the style of the post as i was reading it, it started to sound like that **** take of Rent at the start of Team America but instead replace the words 'Everyone has Aids' with 'Everyone is Racist'
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I wasn't stating everyone was racist, I was just talking specifically about racists as I pointed out at the time, plus a bit at the end about non-racists.
 
eldergeek said:
And this is precisely why I wouldn't vote for any of them in a general election - the problem with politics in this country, is that the people intent on "serving the people" seek to do so because of the power and privelege that comes with doing so.

Britain needs to become a republic. It's that simple.
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How is that going to help? It'll just make it worse surely as it'll just add another layer or two of politicians.
 
Thompson_NCL said:
What has that got to do with what I said? My point was not whether he is the best person for the job, but whether he is an authentic American. I also pointed out the irony of people holding him up as an Afro-American president, when he is nothing of the sort.
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Can OCUK not simply ban these nutters:confused:
 
This leadership is poison for who ever wins.

The Labour party is utterly lost, a total identity crisis.

None of the current crop have the qualities required to turn the party round and they know it. Even bringing Gordon back now would look like a positive step.

The danger is, if they don't get some traction soon, events will pass them by.

Maybe they should follow the England football team and get someone foreign in. I hear Erikson is available.
 
That's what i'm starting to think too. All of the candidates are talking about how the party needs to create something new for the current global climate, not return to Old Labour or New Labour or whatever. But none of them have laid out a real vision for exactly what that entails. I realise it's hard to do that in a 5 minute interview, but that's what they have to do between now and the election, not just rely on soundbites and promises.
 
PermaBanned said:
Well, nobody with half a grasp on macroeconomics isn't going to deny that because they quite simply didn't overspend.
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Yes indeed, but spending more than you have IS overspending, even if it is within limits and would have been what any other party would have done.
People blame labour for the crisis in the banks, they blame labour for overspending by bailing out said banks, which is the main issue.
Until some leader of labour agrees with what the public THINK, then the public won't contemplate voting for them.

That last question time chat where the audience asked questions, and Ed said 'We didn't overspend, I know you think that I don't agree, we Didn't overspend', He lost massive amount of votes in those few lines.
 
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