Network Rail industrial action
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Guys, guys, he's said it a million times, it must be true!
Great to see you Season ticket people paying good money, keeps my wages coming in
So long as you're working then we're all happy.
All the major hubs out of London are NR run (half have offices built in them), I don't think any of the cross London mainline trains will run but over ground services should be able to run.
This whole thing is an absolute mess, NR seems to be the last place where a job for life seems to be a thing and the strike action is the response to someone telling NR management to get rid of this.
Frustrating as they are fighting over a "no compulsory redundancy" clause to try and keep the over paid signallers in the same job before that is centralised/digitalised over the next 20 years. The pay rise is just tacked on the side of the problem as a large % of employees who are out on strike are maintenance, signalling and ops staff who'll have been at the place for 20 years getting the same wage increase of 2-3% and not had their total wage for the salary capped, meaning there's a lot of people in the company on massive wages but no responsibility for what they do.
I'm pretty against the strike because the place is full of people who are determined to be paid as much as possible for doing as little as possible on a scale that is just embarrassing.
Under the proposals to change the law on when a strike can be called, this strike wouldn't be affected. So that's good to know.
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This could cause madness in Liverpool as the Cunard 'Three queens' come to the mersey over the weekend and they are all together on monday i believe. Me and the missus have a flat on the wirral so we will watch the carnage in comfort
The first time I buy train tickets in about 5 years and guess what they're for (I even posted them in 'Items I have purchased' i was so excited).
If I thought I could use the morning train and they put a bus on or something for the journey back I'd be happy with that, but there is zero information at the moment. There's no way I'm going to attempt to drive there.
Any idea where you can see if there are advance cancellations of routes?
Was planning on heading out of London sometime early Tuesday morning (around 10-11am) from St. Pancras to Long Eaton with East Midlands... Assuming it'll be a no go!
Was planning on heading out of London sometime early Tuesday morning (around 10-11am) from St. Pancras to Long Eaton with East Midlands... Assuming it'll be a no go!
Although the strike starts at 5pm, you'll find trains won't suddenly stop. People will finish their shifts. How the strike works is that people will not book on for duty between 5pm Monday and 5pm Tuesday so, depending on when shifts change, it'll probably screw most of Tuesday. The TSSA is also striking (though NR are doing their best to claim it is illegal, the usual desperate tactic) so they probably won't have many managers or supervisors available to man signal boxes.
You will probably find some trains will run in areas controlled by the big power boxes but as soon as you get to the areas with smaller, one-man boxes, there won't be any as they won't have enough bodies to man them.
Of course, this is only the signallers I've mentioned. How the lack of engineers, station staff and track workers not being available for emergency repairs will affect things is anyone's guess.
Lastly bear in mind they were offered an inflation matching deal for the next few years, as it is currently DEFLATION, does that mean they will get nothing or even a pay CUT!?! Not much of a deal really.
You will probably find some trains will run in areas controlled by the big power boxes but as soon as you get to the areas with smaller, one-man boxes, there won't be any as they won't have enough bodies to man them.
Of course, this is only the signallers I've mentioned. How the lack of engineers, station staff and track workers not being available for emergency repairs will affect things is anyone's guess.
Lastly bear in mind they were offered an inflation matching deal for the next few years, as it is currently DEFLATION, does that mean they will get nothing or even a pay CUT!?! Not much of a deal really.
Network Rail use contractors on standby if they need a fast call out.
My thoughts exactly. I wouldn't walk into a mid-range job and expect to stay there for life and get big payrises just for doing the same thing for years and years. If you want a big payrise you get promoted or move on to another job. That's the way of the world and all these stupid union bods don't seem to get that.
As above. Why should a company pay you more year on year to do the same job?
Lastly they'd do better organising these strikes in the middle of the working week when people don't actually care as much. Who cares as much if they can't get to work (besides employers). But no, they insist on doing it over the bank holiday and therefore make it personal for all the people who just want a break, or want to see family etc. It's just pathetic.
I think it's a great pity that all the employees can't be sacked if they take strike action which affects the general public:
>>Could I be sacked for taking industrial action?
No. It would automatically be “unfair dismissal” because the industrial action is properly organised and legal. This right applies from the first day of your employment.<<<
President Ronald Reagan had the right idea with the air traffic controllers when they went on strike. He sacked the lot of them.
I do realise the the forthcoming rail strike is considered legal and the air controllers' strike wasn't. How the union thinks that the wide public will have some sympathy with them is beyond me.
If you're looking for SYMPATHY it's between SUICIDE and SYPHILIS in the dictionary.
>>Could I be sacked for taking industrial action?
No. It would automatically be “unfair dismissal” because the industrial action is properly organised and legal. This right applies from the first day of your employment.<<<
President Ronald Reagan had the right idea with the air traffic controllers when they went on strike. He sacked the lot of them.
I do realise the the forthcoming rail strike is considered legal and the air controllers' strike wasn't. How the union thinks that the wide public will have some sympathy with them is beyond me.
If you're looking for SYMPATHY it's between SUICIDE and SYPHILIS in the dictionary.
My thoughts exactly. I wouldn't walk into a mid-range job and expect to stay there for life and get big payrises just for doing the same thing for years and years. If you want a big payrise you get promoted or move on to another job. That's the way of the world and all these stupid union bods don't seem to get that.
As above. Why should a company pay you more year on year to do the same job?
Lastly they'd do better organising these strikes in the middle of the working week when people don't actually care as much. Who cares as much if they can't get to work (besides employers). But no, they insist on doing it over the bank holiday and therefore make it personal for all the people who just want a break, or want to see family etc. It's just pathetic.
I instantly don't give a damn about what they want because they are doing it on a bank holiday.
Well the tube drivers are doing just this, won't be long before the automated system from Japan is installed in the UK
They should be sacked, regardless of when it is it's causing a nuisance to millions of people
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What's wrong with the automated system used by the DLR?
Over 10 years without a single accident I think.
Nothing is wrong with them, it's just that they still won't get rid of the parasites that expect to get £40k/yr for opening doors
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/davehillblog/2012/feb/29/boris-johnson-driverless-underground-trains
Exactly.
I'm going to my mum's for the weekend but had been fairly calm about the strike because it wasn't due to start until 5pm on Monday. Good excuse to escape at a reasonable time, I thought. But no FGW have thrown in the towel early and insist that they are running a reduced service from 7.30am
Morons https://www.firstgreatwestern.co.uk/travel-updates/strike-information
To be fair, FGW may be erring on the side of caution but they are announcing a service they KNOW they can deliver rather than a more optimistic one they HOPE to have.
And to all the "sack them for inconveniencing me" lot, is it better to let the management screw the workforce over and do whatever they want? Yes unions can be greedy and manipulative but so can the companies.
And to all the "sack them for inconveniencing me" lot, is it better to let the management screw the workforce over and do whatever they want? Yes unions can be greedy and manipulative but so can the companies.