Ireland votes on gay marriage - why should I care?

C.R.A.Z.Y · 24 May 2015 at 01:07

You're being extremely pedantic about the EXACT meaning of a word which has a quantum level of importance in the overall picture/issue.
It comes across like you're unhappy with the result and are using this to vent your anger!!

FoxEye said:
Tbh, I don't think I've seen a lesbian scene on TV in years.

In general, I think there's a lot of "forced" sex scenes of both the straight and gay kind. I do have a problem with that, because they add nothing (are boring filler), and waste time. Seriously it's a challenge now for any show to go 10 mins straight without showing two people going at it.

I bet if Columbo was re-made today there would be straight/gay sex in every episode And you don't want to see that.

But yeah, there's gay sex in every show now. I'm 4 episodes into Penny Dreadful (which is partially living up to its name), and 3 of the 4 main male characters are gay or bi, with 2 of them already having had gay sex on screen. What gives?

It was bad enough in GoT, but GoT is excellent so you can forgive it (just). PD is not excellent.

So basically you're a prude, especially when it involves same sex couples??
Sex (including gay sex) is completely natural and integral part of human life, why shouldn't it be honestly depicted in film / TV :confused:

It's people like you that reinforce that embarrassing out of date prudish British stereotype, it's just sex dude get over it!! If it bothers you that much turn the telly off!!!

Dis86 · 24 May 2015 at 01:11

C.R.A.Z.Y said:
You're being extremely pedantic about the EXACT meaning of a word which has a quantum level of importance in the overall picture/issue.
It comes across like you're unhappy with the result and are using this to vent your anger!!

Well you'd be wrong there. As I stated earlier, I believe everyone should have the same rights.
However I think it should be named differently. That way nobody gets offended. Same sex couples get equality. Religious individuals don't have problems with people of the same sex being joined in marriage. Simples.
The word stands for something extremely important to many people. Therefore it is an extremely important word.

Tunney · 24 May 2015 at 01:13

I don't think the English can complain about the redefinition of marriage when the Church of England was set up to do just that.

Dis86 · 24 May 2015 at 01:14

Tunney said:
I don't think the English can complain about the redefinition of marriage when the Church of England was set up to do just that.

Not all English people are c of e

FoxEye · 24 May 2015 at 01:20

C.R.A.Z.Y said:
So basically you're a prude, especially when it involves same sex couples??
Sex (including gay sex) is completely natural and integral part of human life, why shouldn't it be honestly depicted in film / TV

People like you are who give us brits that out-of-dated prudish stereotype, it's just sex dude get over it!! If it bothers you that much turn the telly off!!!

People put up wallpaper, clean the bath and walk the dog too. Sex may be a part of life, but it doesn't make great TV. Seriously, when was the last time a TV sex scene enhanced your enjoyment of a good horror/sci-fi/fantasy/whatever.

As opposed to thinking, "Oh here comes the obligatory sex scene. I'll just nod off while these two actors touch each other extremely awkwardly."

And no, I'm not a prude. No idea where you get that from. Hah.

C.R.A.Z.Y · 24 May 2015 at 01:20

Dis86 said:
I believe everyone should have the same rights.
However I think it should be named differently.

You just contradicted yourself, conditional same rights is not the same as having the same rights. An important part of it is actually the name, it wouldn't be true equality otherwise!!

Well I guess I must be a raving pervert as I find well done sex or intimate scenes do add to films / TV in many case's!!

Rich_L · 24 May 2015 at 01:22

That's cool though, religious folk can keep using the word marriage the way they want to mean what they want, and everyone else who doesn't give a toss can use it to refer to whatever they want, just like how it works for every other word in the English language.

robgmun · 24 May 2015 at 01:24

FoxEye said:
Not gay, don't really care about result.

Just wish there wasn't now a mandatory gay sex scene in all recent TV shows. Seriously. I don't want to watch men kissing and rubbing each other. Even if they're good looking. I just don't want their bits flopping all over my TV!

But then someone once told me that TV is disproportionately represented by gay people, so if true it's no surprise.

What shows? I can't say that even on the BBC there hasn't been any gay agenda since that raving pounce Russell T Davies left Doctor Who

Dis86 · 24 May 2015 at 01:24

C.R.A.Z.Y said:
You just contradicted yourself, conditional same rights is not the same as having the same rights. An important part of it is actually the name, it wouldn't be true equality otherwise!!

Nobody has the right to a word. A word has a meaning. What they are doing is not in accordance with the meaning therefore that word is not applicable.
Like the pie recipe, if you don't have the ingredients, you don't have a shepherds pie, you have something else.
What people have been campaigning for is the right to have their 'joining' for want of a better word to be equal to that of a man and a woman.

Dis86 · 24 May 2015 at 01:29

Rich_L said:
That's cool though, religious folk can keep using the word marriage the way they want to mean what they want, and everyone else who doesn't give a toss can use it to refer to whatever they want, just like how it works for every other word in the English language.

No it's not. For example you can never have a bike with three wheels. It then would cease to be a bicycle.

C.R.A.Z.Y · 24 May 2015 at 01:29

Words and language evolve, this is a prime example of a word evolving for the better.
Narrow minded people are either going to have to like it or lump it!

Separate but equal is inherently unequal

Dis86 · 24 May 2015 at 01:38

C.R.A.Z.Y said:
Words and language evolve, this is a prime example of a word evolving for the better.
Narrow minded people are either going to have to like it or lump it!

Words and language do evolve, it's true. But what you can not change are the origins and base meaning of a word.

I fail to see how having its own unique word is inferior? If anything it gains greater standing. It has its own name. It becomes something in its own right, not just a tag on or an amendment.

Rich_L · 24 May 2015 at 01:39

Dis86 said:
No it's not. For example you can never have a bike with three wheels. It then would cease to be a bicycle.

So if I start calling my bicycle a tricycle, do you want the government to step in and force me to stop? Obviously not, that's stupid just like wanting the government to force people to refer to marriage in a certain way that fits what a subsection of the population want.

Words change, if I call religious people a load of sheep I'm fairly sure that I'm referring to their mindless following behavior and not that they are 4-legged animals which require shearing. Marriage used to mean and man and a woman now it can encompass same sex couples too. The world keeps turning etc etc.

Though an even worse argument is about 'the institution' of marriage. I'm married and I'm pretty sure whether gays get married, or the married chap down the street is banging the babysitter, makes absolutely zero difference to my wife and I - how shoddy and ill-founded must a marriage be to be so terribly affected by what other people get up to using the 'same word'

Dis86 · 24 May 2015 at 01:40

C.R.A.Z.Y said:
Words and language evolve, this is a prime example of a word evolving for the better.
Narrow minded people are either going to have to like it or lump it!

Separate but equal is inherently unequal

That was a stupid edit. Lol. How can something be equal and unequal? I think you need to go to bed.

You and I probably have different names. In the eyes of the law we're equal.

momentimori · 24 May 2015 at 01:41

bitslice said:
So they legalise marriage which is nice, but they still haven't legalised abortion?
Priorities Ireland, sort it out.

Parts of the UK still ban abortion too.

Dis86 · 24 May 2015 at 01:44

Rich_L said:
So if I start calling my bicycle a tricycle, do you want the government to step in and force me to stop? Obviously not, that's stupid just like wanting the government to force people to refer to marriage in a certain way that fits what a subsection of the population want.

Words change, if I call religious people a load of sheep I'm fairly sure that I'm referring to their mindless following behavior and not that they are 4-legged animals which require shearing. Marriage used to mean and man and a woman now it can encompass same sex couples too. The world keeps turning etc etc.

Though an even worse argument is about 'the institution' of marriage. I'm married and I'm pretty sure whether gays get married, or the married chap down the street is banging the babysitter, makes absolutely zero difference to my wife and I - how shoddy and ill-founded must a marriage be to be so terribly affected by what other people get up to using the 'same word'

You've just highlighted your crap grasp of language there. Using the term sheep as a form of mindless behaviour is not an evolution of the word Sheep in describing the animals. It's is a contraction of stating someone is behaving like a sheep. As in following the flock.

Stretch · 24 May 2015 at 02:17

I've been rather perplexed by this story too. I assume it because Ireland is still seen as a somewhat "traditionalist" conservative country. I find people reaction to the vote quite condescending, in a "congratulations Ireland, welcome to the modern world" kind of way.

setter · 24 May 2015 at 03:37

Personally i dont care wether a couple want to get hitched wether theyre hetero or gay, thing i get a bit angry about is certain politicians here in northern ireland comparing homosexuality to pedophilia. Namely prominent members of the dup. Iris robinson being one in particular, a woman who claims to be a devout christian yet she had an affair with a young bloke and used party funds to set him up in bussiness. And yet she preaches about the sanctity of marriage. Hypocrites the lot of them.

Tummy · 24 May 2015 at 03:53

'Why do you hate the fact that other people want a chance to live their lives and be happy, even though they may believe in something different from what you believe, or act differently from you? How does 'gay' marriage affect your life in any way, shape, or form? Are you worried that if 'gay' marriage became legal, all of a sudden you’d start thinking about penis? (“Oh ****. 'Gay' marriage just passed. Gotta get me some of that hot **** action!”) Will all your friends suddenly turn gay and refuse to come to your Sunday Ticket grill-outs? (Unlikely. Gay people enjoy watching football, too.)

I can assure you that gay people getting married will have zero effect on your life. They won’t come into your house and steal your children. They won’t magically turn you into a lustful **** monster. They won’t even overthrow the government in an orgy of hedonistic debauchery because all of a sudden they have the same legal rights as the other 90 percent of our population.'

Seriously good news.

Although I hate the phrase 'gay marriage' ... it's just marriage

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Cosimo · 24 May 2015 at 08:08

Good to see the Irish taking a liberal view.