Ireland votes on gay marriage - why should I care?

African Americans were given legal equality in the '60s in America, but a still subject to a huge amount of racial prejudice in some parts of the country. Homosexual sex was decriminalised in the '60s here but teachers in Scotland were still prevented from discussing homosexuality with pupils until the '90/'00s, preventing pupils on the receiving end of homophobic bullying from seeking support.

Just because a government passes a law, doesn't mean society at large sees things the same way.

I bet if you'd have held a referendum on whether black people in America should have equality you'd have got an overwhelming response of "yes they should". Not sure what point you're trying to make tbh.
 
What a bigoted world view you have.

Please explain. You're the bigot here, you've made that patently obvious with your abhorrent posts. I notice you haven't countered my post above. Hard to counter the truth though so I understand that.

Anyway, as I'm an egalitarian who fights for equality (the opposite of you) please elaborate on why I am the bigot here.
 
I am sure in your mind you believe you've made a very insightful remark, but you haven't. I've addressed this point before. Sterile couples have a limited value to the state, but the number of couples who this would effect is small. When those couples do marry, it isn't making a parody of marriage because they'd still be mimicking the purpose of a marriage.

Nonsense.

Nate
 
Pleased to see the religious bigots are losing ground. Atheism is on the rise and more liberal outlooks amongst theists is on the rise too. Well done Ireland. :D

This is the response of equality? That reads like up yours you lot…
 
No. Gay 'marriage' is a prime example of a decadent civilization; one which has lost touch with basic morality. The idea that homosexual relationships are equal to heterosexual relationships is patently absurd.

Can two gay men love one another comparably to a heterosexual couple? Perhaps. But love is not the purpose of marriage. Reproduction is the purpose of marriage. Reproduction is why the state gets involved in marriage.

Why can't two people of the same gender love each other the same as opposite gender?

Also reproduction isn't the purpose of marriage, the religious definition might but I don't want to be married in a church.

A marriage bestows rights and obligations on the married parties, and sometimes on relatives as well, being the sole mechanism for the creation of affinal ties (in-laws). These may include, depending on jurisdiction:

Giving a husband/wife or his/her family control over a spouse's sexual services, labor, and property.
Giving a husband/wife responsibility for a spouse's debts.
Giving a husband/wife visitation rights when his/her spouse is incarcerated or hospitalized.
Giving a husband/wife control over his/her spouse's affairs when the spouse is incapacitated.
Establishing the second legal guardian of a parent's child.
Establishing a joint fund of property for the benefit of children.
Establishing a relationship between the families of the spouses.


Once you start diluting the purpose of one of civilizations most important institutions, you are opening the flood-gates to further dilution. It is inevitable. How long is it until we see people pushing for polygamy to be legalised? Or what about incestual marriages?
What's wrong with polygamy or incestual marriages?

Outside of the legal aspect, nothing.

A civilization which has lost touch with the fundamentals of civilized behaviour is doomed. You can already see the structural weakness that runs through the West. Its only going to get worse in the decades that come.
Yeah all that's wrong with the world is gays getting married, christ on a bike. Money is the reason our civilisation is doomed. The bankers got us into this mess and wars are waged for control of oil in the name of democracy. Get a sense of perspective you bigot.
 
This is the response of equality? That reads like up yours you lot…

How you interpret words is on you not me. Equality for all under the law is all I'm advocating. If you don't agree with that then 'up yours' might be a correct interpretation. :rolleyes:
 
In 1946....Personally, I'd do my best to prevent my girlfriend from ever having an abortion, and if she chose to do so I wouldn't support her. But, it should be a choice.



Even if she'd been the victim of rape you'd have her have the rapists baby and of she didn't want it you'd abandon her?

But even if it was your kids that's a horrible emotional pressure to put on her and it will get transferred to the baby. Ie she never wanted it but only had it as she didn't want to be abandoned by the man she loved.
 
How you interpret words is on you not me. Equality for all under the law is all I'm advocating. If you don't agree with that then 'up yours' might be a correct interpretation. :rolleyes:

The big cheesy grin was a bit of a giveaway.
 
Please explain. You're the bigot here, you've made that patently obvious with your abhorrent posts. I notice you haven't countered my post above. Hard to counter the truth though so I understand that.

Anyway, as I'm an egalitarian who fights for equality (the opposite of you) please elaborate on why I am the bigot here.

I am not intolerant of people with differing opinions. I don't make snide comments about their person just because I disagree with them. You take every opportunity to insult those who disagree with you. Let me highlight each time you do it, just to make it clear.

As for not responding to your post, I didn't see it. Here is my response -

Absolute bigoted nonsense. Nothing decadent about gay people marrying. They are people and as people they should have the same rights as all the other people. Nothing patently absurd about gays being equal to straight people, the only patently absurd thing here is your disgusting prejudice.

Homosexuals relationships are not equal to heterosexual relationships. It's like you're saying 1+1=2 and 1+2=3 so 1+1 = 1+2. Well, no, no it doesn't They are different.

There is no 'perhaps' about whether two gay men OR WOMEN can love one another. You're disgusting stance on this is sickening. Reproduction is not the sole purpose of marriage it is simply a function of marriage. Lots of heterosexual couple never have kids. Seriously, didn't you know that ?

Of course I know that heterosexual couples may not have children. I've addressed it countless times.

Has to be the dumbest crap I've read in months on the internet.

Taking the time to respond to this was a waste of my time.

What has the fall of civilisation got to do with gay couples being allowed to marry ? Simple question. Care to answer ?

I've already addressed this, but let me say it again: Enabling homosexual delusions about the status of their relationships is damaging to civilized society. It reduced the value of marriage and opens the door to things such as polygamy, incest and so forth.

It represents the weakening of the primary unit of civilization: the family. And for what? So so some deluded hipsters can feel good about themselves because they grew up on a diet of liberal media?

Basically, Western civilization has gone from being strong and virile to limp-wristed and weak. We cannot even defend our own borders from illegal immigrants anymore, our productivity is declining, birth rates are dropping, the Muslims are running rampant. We're done. This is just another nail in the coffin.
 
You can't hide your disgusting horrible views Thompson just by making a big post. We all know you're not a tolerant person who likes to exercise his prejudice. :rolleyes: Every time you type you just shame yourself further and distance yourself further from what most would regard as a decent human being.
 
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Why can't two people of the same gender love each other the same as opposite gender?

Same sex, not gender. Gender is some nonsense made up by a paedophile a few decades ago. But I don't know whether they can or cannot, I am willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.

Also reproduction isn't the purpose of marriage, the religious definition might but I don't want to be married in a church.

Yes, it is. The traditional function of marriage is to provide legitimacy to the offspring of a couple. Its modern concept may have been twisted by the liberal elite, but that remains its purpose.

What's wrong with polygamy or incestual marriages?

Outside of the legal aspect, nothing.

You really need me to explain what is wrong with them, or are you being obtuse? :confused:

Yeah all that's wrong with the world is gays getting married, christ on a bike. Money is the reason our civilisation is doomed. The bankers got us into this mess and wars are waged for control of oil in the name of democracy. Get a sense of perspective you bigot.

I have perspective, I think that is my curse. But thanks for the ad-hom, bigot.
 
No. Gay 'marriage' is a prime example of a decadent civilization; one which has lost touch with basic morality. The idea that homosexual relationships are equal to heterosexual relationships is patently absurd.

Errr no its not marriage is about property and ownership.

Nothing to do with kids
 
You can't hide your disgusting horrible views Thompson just by making a big post. We all know you're not a tolerant person who likes to exercise his prejudice. :rolleyes: Every time you type you just shame yourself further and distance yourself further from what most would regard as a decent human being.

Where do you get the idea I am trying to hide anything? I think I am being forthright and clear in my opinions.

I feel no shame whatsoever for holding these views. My hands and concious are clean. You however seem to be a very angry young man who cannot control his emotions.
 
Same sex, not gender. Gender is some nonsense made up by a paedophile a few decades ago. But I don't know whether they can or cannot, I am willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.
Paedophile?

Yes, it is. The traditional function of marriage is to provide legitimacy to the offspring of a couple. Its modern concept may have been twisted by the liberal elite, but that remains its purpose.
It's really not. Why would you want to promote procreation in a world that is increasingly overpopulated.

You really need me to explain what is wrong with them, or are you being obtuse? :confused:
There is nothing wrong with them, how does it affect you if a husband has two or more wives or a wife has two or more husbands?

I'm well aware of the genetic reason incest is illegal but two consenting adults should be able to do whatever they want within the law.

I have perspective, I think that is my curse. But thanks for the ad-hom, bigot.
No you don't have perspective, you are claiming that allowing gays to marry is somehow indicative of the fall of modern society. You are worse than the UKIP idiots that say the flooding is gods wrath on the acceptance of gays.
 
I feel no shame whatsoever for holding these views. My hands and concious are clean.

That's the problem though. You think you can hold these views with a clear conscience when the majority of decent people look at what you say and try really hard not to vomit.

You however seem to be a very angry young man who cannot control his emotions.

LOL. I'm a polemicist, haven't you noticed ? Don't mistake clarity for aggression, first rule of debate. :rolleyes:
 
Paedophile?

Yes, he was.

It's really not. Why would you want to promote procreation in a world that is increasingly overpopulated.

Because we wish to at the very least, maintain our existing population level. What people in China, India or Africa do is their business.

There is nothing wrong with them, how does it affect you if a husband has two or more wives or a wife has two or more husbands?

In most cases of polygamy, its one man with multiple wives. This presents problems when they start to have children, since the man cannot support multiple partners. It also reduces the social value of those women, and by proxy, all women.

Two men sharing one woman will almost certainly happen, but a man who shares his wife with another man, is not a man worth speaking of.

I'm well aware of the genetic reason incest is illegal but two consenting adults should be able to do whatever they want within the law.

A sexual attraction to your sibling is almost certainly a manifestation of some mental health issues. What normal person finds their sibling sexually attractive? We should protect those people from themselves.

No you don't have perspective, you are claiming that allowing gays to marry is somehow indicative of the fall of modern society. You are worse than the UKIP idiots that say the flooding is gods wrath on the acceptance of gays.

Nice ad-hom.
 
I know gay couples with children and heterosexual married couples without children. Are gay people raising kids through adoption or surrogacy decadent too?
 
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