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Ireland votes on gay marriage - why should I care?
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Why do you not link homosexuality to women's rights? Black's rights? Slavery? Interracial marriage? That's the rational stance, sexual equality is similar to gender equality or race equality. Instead, you take an irrational stance and link homosexuality to the imaginary legalisation of paedophilia. Yes, there are some nutjobs who may be hold that position but they're irrelevant, just like the nujobs who think the world is flat.
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People will cross that bridge when it comes to it.
Homosexuality is legal.
Paedophilia is illegal.
Not sure why you are arguing the rights of paedophiles when this is about gay marriage.
There are two camps:
A) What next, incestual marriages? paedophilia marriages? people marrying objects? or;
B) Won't someone think of the children, they have a right to a mother and a father, blah blah blah
I've come to expect it when people try to rationalise their irrational reasons against gay marriage.
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When did this change?
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Why link one form of "sexual equality" with another form of "sexual equality"?
I don't know, it makes no sense does it....
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We aren't arguing sexual equality are we though.... homosexuality is already legal.
*edit* Has the child put me on ignore?
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The large amount of literature printed in this country warning about the dangers of homosexuality. It was indicative of the perceived view in this country.
The fact is male homosexuality is harmful. There is substantial evidence to back this up.
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You're making a straw man. Homosexuality and Paedophilia are both sexual desires that were both illegal. Maybe I'm wrong but I doubt females had a strong sexual desire to vote. The first who wanted homosexuality legalised were the "nutjobs" of their day, as homosexuality was considered a mental illness.
Quite probably, yes. I suspect the kernel of the negative perception of homosexuality lies with the Church, and how many interpret the Bible to condemn homosexuality. I think the reason for that may well have been the idea that it 'risked' the development of civilisation by somehow endangering families and the raising of children. It was several thousand years ago, and so I imagine that was fairly scary. I think it's pretty clear now that such a view is irrational, and homosexuality doesn't present any risk of harm to society. This is why it is mostly legalised today.
If 'other' forms of sexuality are too seen to be harmless, then I see no reason why they shouldn't also be legal.
I really don't think there's any credible evidence. Any notional harm to society would be far outweighed by the definitive and specific harm to the individuals if their sexuality were to be repressed or criminalised.
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The thing is homosexuality hasn't been proven to be harmless, certainly not as far as male homosexuality is concerned.
Much higher rates of sexually transmitted diseases are just the start of things.
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Higher rates of STDs aren't caused by homosexuality. There's a correlation for reasons unrelated to the actual sexuality of the individuals. Male homosexuals can stay healthy and have safe sex if they choose.
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There is significant research to show that homosexual life expectancy is lower than heterosexual life expectancy. Engaging in risky sexual activities is the largest cause of this.
Again, that isn't causal, it's a correlation caused by behaviour that isn't caused by being homosexual. People who have unprotected sex expose themselves to disease. The likelihood of disease transmission during anal sex is higher than vaginal sex. There's a higher degree of drug use among the homosexual population that contributes to bad decision making. However, these are all personal decisions not caused by being homosexual.
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So what you are saying is that any homosexual man who doesn't engage in homosexual behaviour will avoid these increased health risks?
No, any homosexual man who takes reasonable precautions - the same that any heterosexual man should take - will not have an increased risk of disease. STDs are not spontaneously created by homosexual sex. It is unprotected sex with infected individuals that helps spread them. That is a poor lifestyle choice that many homosexual men make, that leads to increased rates of infection among homosexual men.
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I am not saying that STDs spontaneously manifest. What I am saying is that homosexual sexual acts are more dangerous than heterosexual sexual acts.
The only safe sex is abstinence. Wearing a condom, or other steps, only reduce the risk.
The Terence Higgins Trust produced a leaflet some time ago on "safe sex". Included in that leaflet were activities that are no safe. I'm not going to list them here as I don't feel they would be SFW. However, even with the increase in "safe sex" there are still increasing cases of men suffering problems such as leakage in older years. The wearing of an adult nappy should not be the end result of "safe sex"
I would suggest anyone interested on finding advice for "safe sex" for homosexual men consult a booklet entitled "The Bottom Line".
I am unaware of any safe sex materials aimed at heterosexuals that includes recommendations of activities that carry a risk of injury.
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Yep 100% true that straight people don't engage in mutual masturbation, oral or anal. Only gay men do those things....
Anal sex, fisting, *****s, buttplugs, douching, rimming etc. are not definitively homosexual sexual acts. They can take place between any two human beings of any gender and sexuality. You have specifically proven the point that the risk comes when an individual chooses to take certain actions or have certain behaviours, and not with being homosexual.
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However they are acts which gay men are more likely to engage in then heterosexuals.
Homosexual life expectancy is lower because of homosexuals engaging in these things disproportionately more than heterosexuals.
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