Possible Radeon 390X / 390 and 380X Spec / Benchmark (do not hotlink images!!!!!!)

FinglisHobbit · 25 May 2015 at 16:52

pete910 said:
Because the likes of us know what AMD need to charge to make a profit

His comment was fine, whats with the rolleyes? weirdo.

mmj_uk · 25 May 2015 at 17:13

The issue AMD have is their competitors (both Intel and NVidia) are making hardware that is much cheaper to manufacturer and selling it at twice the price often more, that's where the R&D comes in. AMD may still be competitivbe on raw performance but they've become second best on pretty much every other metric.

FredFlint · 25 May 2015 at 17:15

It needs to be > 35% faster than a 290X for me to upgrade, hopefully over 50%.

pete910 · 25 May 2015 at 17:16

FinglisHobbit said:
His comment was fine, whats with the rolleyes? weirdo.

The reason is that the chances of any one of us on this forum have the faintest idea of what AMD need charge for a GPU with yet unused memory configuration to make a profit are astronomically high! And yes that includes the rep!

Also, what's with the werdo remark? How in any way is that needed ?

humbug · 25 May 2015 at 17:21

Protoype said:
AMD need to price it right in order to win market share back, too high and they risk doing themselves in.

That doesn't work, and its pointless if the margins are low.

humbug · 25 May 2015 at 17:25

mmj_uk said:
The issue AMD have is their competitors (both Intel and NVidia) are making hardware that is much cheaper to manufacturer and selling it at twice the price often more, that's where the R&D comes in. AMD may still be competitivbe on raw performance but they've become second best on pretty much every other metric.

Yeah right....

And yet they are still at the forefront of developing better technology.

For example, what have Nvidia done with their massive profits to push GPU technology forward in the last 10 years?

I can give you two significant ones from AMD, GDDR5 and HBM, and Nvidia get to use them despite the fact that its AMD who put the work in.

Nvidia may have a lot more R&D, but they don't seem to be able to do much with it. instead they just wait for AMD to come up with the goods.

gareth170 · 25 May 2015 at 17:27

FredFlint said:
It needs to be > 35% faster than a 290X for me to upgrade, hopefully over 50%.

im guessing it'll be 50-60% faster because it as 45% more shaders + HBM

Nutella33 · 25 May 2015 at 17:32

pete910 said:
The reason is that the chances of any one of us on this forum have the faintest idea of what AMD need charge for a GPU with yet unused memory configuration to make a profit are astronomically high! And yes that includes the rep!

I'm not putting figures out or claiming to know margins. I'm just saying they cant price it too low because they need to make money from it. If it has the performance to challenge nvidia's cards expect them to be priced as such. Its later in the product cycle that you start cutting your profit margins to induce sales. reference every product in this market ever.

Nvidia may have a lot more R&D, but they don't seem to be able to do much with it.

I think Nvidia's R+D is poured into tegra and now their car partnerships in the main

as someone who has used tegra for 2 generations, I shudder to think of a car system using one

Mei · 25 May 2015 at 17:36

Nutella33 said:
I'm not putting figures out or claiming to know margins. I'm just saying they cant price it too low because they need to make money from it. If it has the performance to challenge nvidia's cards expect them to be priced as such. Its later in the product cycle that you start cutting your profit margins to induce sales. reference every product in this market ever.

sounds like sense to me

with the 980ti coming first be interesting see what they price that at
im not expecting a cheap card!
but im guessing there will be the 390 & 390x so maybe their will be a value option too >.<

Twirlywoos · 25 May 2015 at 17:42

With nvidia/ gaming developers not really supporting 3d vision anymore I don't feel the need to be tied to their tech any longer as 3D vision gaming is just an underground cult following now which works best on Windows 7 anyway (and I'll be upgrading to Win 10 from 8.1)

Not that you wanted to know all that but since freesync monitors are cheaper I could swing over to AMD quite easily if the 390X performs well in all departments (XFire scaling, Temps, Power draw and commitment to providing better driver support with a focus on VR).

I did own the 7850's before but 3D vision took me away and tbh VR/1440px144Hz/4K is the way forward for me now.

Mtom · 25 May 2015 at 18:13

gareth170 said:
im guessing it'll be 50-60% faster because it as 45% more shaders + HBM

...and it uses GCN 1.2 (or 1.3) cores with the improved tesselation, colir compression, and other goodies.

chroniclard · 25 May 2015 at 18:23

Must be exceedingly hot if needing water?

bru · 25 May 2015 at 18:24

humbug said:
Yeah right....

And yet they are still at the forefront of developing better technology.

For example, what have Nvidia done with their massive profits to push GPU technology forward in the last 10 years?

I can give you two significant ones from AMD, GDDR5 and HBM, and Nvidia get to use them despite the fact that its AMD who put the work in.

Nvidia may have a lot more R&D, but they don't seem to be able to do much with it. instead they just wait for AMD to come up with the goods.

Interesting points and after looking I do agree that NVidia doesn't seemed to have introduced many firsts.

This timeline on the NVidia website is quite interesting in that respect.

http://www.nvidia.com/page/corporate_timeline.html

Other than inventing the 'GPU' back in 1999, there isn't many other firsts.
First dual core mobile processor, which in my opinion is a bit meh.
First 3D ultrasound, is a bit more special, but not really PC graphics related.

One thought I did have after looking through the timeline.

It has often been commented on that AMD like to work with other companies on various projects and it is the same with the HBM and GDDR5 that AMD were partners in bringing these technologies to us.
I notice that NVidia seem to acquire quite a few companies as you go through their timeline, maybe it is another one of the fundamental differences between AMD and NVidia. AMD will see the beginnings of a technology and go to the company to partner with them to bring these great new idea to the market. Whereas NVidia perhaps see the same sort of beginnings, but instead of partnering they just buy them out.

Of course this speculation on my part and I am in no way suggesting that one practice is better than the other, merely that they are different ways of doing business.

Nutella33 · 25 May 2015 at 18:27

chroniclard said:
Must be exceedingly hot if needing water?

I *think* there were articles floating about that suggest air cooling HBM is a bit of a pain in the GPU format.

Although of course there may also be air cooling and it may also be toasty! who knows

chroniclard · 25 May 2015 at 18:30

Fingers crossed its a beast(with 8gb).

bru · 25 May 2015 at 18:33

chroniclard said:
Must be exceedingly hot if needing water?

Maybe it is not a case of needing water, but the standard card will be fine with a good new air cooler, but there has been mention of a WCE, a halo product, just maybe that is going to be a highly clocked variant that would be just a touch too loud without a AIO water cooler.

It would be nice to see one of the companies actually do this, rather than the usual super clocked version that is, in-fact only 50MHz higher than the standard one. lets have a 1300MHz 290x, ok so it wouldn't have any more headroom but at least you know your not going to get a lemon that will only do 1100MHz.

Mal X · 25 May 2015 at 18:40

Mei said:
sounds like sense to me
with the 980ti coming first be interesting see what they price that at
im not expecting a cheap card!
but im guessing there will be the 390 & 390x so maybe their will be a value option too >.<

It wont be cheap, just cheap enough to make it attractive to anyone that's not happy with a 390X

...and it's finished in a sexy gold colour too

opethdisciple · 25 May 2015 at 18:43

I wouldn’t be optimistic AMD will even have launch drivers for these cards!

Mal X · 25 May 2015 at 18:50

bru said:
Maybe it is not a case of needing water, but the standard card will be fine with a good new air cooler, but there has been mention of a WCE, a halo product, just maybe that is going to be a highly clocked variant that would be just a touch too loud without a AIO water cooler.

It would be nice to see one of the companies actually do this, rather than the usual super clocked version that is, in-fact only 50MHz higher than the standard one. lets have a 1300MHz 290x, ok so it wouldn't have any more headroom but at least you know your not going to get a lemon that will only do 1100MHz.

there's two versions, water and air...........this photo we're seeing is the WCE version.

this WCE version is the one to super tune, it's the next MSI Lightning.........the Air cooled version is the 390, so it's exactly the same as the 290..290X...............except this 290X is now Watercooled, it's a good idea too :cool:

Uncle Petey · 25 May 2015 at 19:03

Mal X - Still bringin' dem facts :cool: