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Possible Radeon 390X / 390 and 380X Spec / Benchmark (do not hotlink images!!!!!!)

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Sadly it could be true in my opinion.
I started to think that amd really planned 20nm sruff, and that cancelled hurting them bad. Only in november they said 20nm is very important for them.

If what i think is true the goods side could be they are ready for the 14nm start. They just have to live until then.
 
For them to charge £300+ for a revised 290X it would have to be competing with the GTX 980 at least or else it's simply not worth paying much more than the current 290X prices of around £250.
I suspect 980 prices will come down to around £350 or less once the 980ti /390X are released so would anyone seriously pay a similar price for the revised 290X just for 8GB extra?.
 
humbug said:
Hawaii is GCN 1.1, already obsolete by AMD existing GCN 1.2 (Tonga)
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Does this mean if it turns out to be true then then you won't be recommending people buy them? I think not.

AMD are probably just buying time like Mtom has suggested but it'll be a bit of insult to everyone if the only new card is their zillion pound flagship.
 
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The only leaks so far shows the 390x (refreshed hawaii) about 12-15% over 290x with only 5% more clocks. If thats true it could be a viable card.
It could be a hawaii 2.0 with no big upgrades, just better manufacturing etc. I dont think amd moved the existing cards to glofo tho their 28nm node is better than tsmc nodes
 
I'm not bothered about rebrands as long as the performance is there for a nice price. A sub £300 980 beater won't be ignored.

The Flagship with HBM is what most are waiting on but the price might turn a lot of people to the lower products.
 
Mtom said:
Sadly it could be true in my opinion.
I started to think that amd really planned 20nm sruff, and that cancelled hurting them bad. Only in november they said 20nm is very important for them.

If what i think is true the goods side could be they are ready for the 14nm start. They just have to live until then.
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They only had 1 or 2 APUs planned for 20nm. And the only reason they say things like "20nm is important for us" is because it's a conference call where they are being grilled by investors about the fact they haven't had a shrink. Fact is TSMC 20nm was awful and could barely make phone chips, CPUs & GPUs were off the table.

In reality the lack of shrinks hurts NV too and Intel haven't released anything worthwhile since 2011, their 22nm was 28nm renamed and 14nm still isn't here. So I think if they were being truthful, they would say new design concepts are important to them not shrinks. Taking shrinks for granted has hurt the industry.
 
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Orangey said:
They only had 1 or 2 APUs planned for 20nm. And the only reason they say things like "20nm is important for us" is because it's a conference call where they are being grilled by investors about the fact they haven't had a shrink. Factis TSMC 20nm was awful and could barely make phone chips, CPUs & GPUs were off the table.

In reality the lack of shrinks hurts NV too and Intel haven't released anything worthwhile since 2011, their 22nm was 28nm renamed and 14nm still isn't here. So I think if they were being truthful, they would say new design concepts are important to them not shrinks. Taking shrinks for granted has hurt the industry.
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I agree and also the Amur and Nolan would have been outdated in particular chipset feature wise before it even was thought about putting into a tablet.

Amd all talk, no go until Samsung does the engineering work for them and Lisa Su kicks some internal butt.

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Ayahuasca said:
I'm not bothered about rebrands as long as the performance is there for a nice price. A sub £300 980 beater won't be ignored.

The Flagship with HBM is what most are waiting on but the price might turn a lot of people to the lower products.
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Whilst that would be good for the consumer, I think AMD as a business would still be stucked in the same hole of selling more expensive to produce cards at a lower price than Nvidia.

As long as Nvidia can milk with their low cost to produce mid-range, branding and selling them as high-end, AMD cannot really compete with them as they would never have as great a profit margin as Nvidia for every card that are sold.
 
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Whilst that would be good for the consumer, I think AMD as a business would still be stucked in the same hole of selling more expensive to produce cards at a lower price than Nvidia.

As long as Nvidia can milk with their low cost to produce mid-range, branding and selling them as high-end, AMD cannot really compete with them as they would never have as great a profit margin as Nvidia for every card that are sold.
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Too true..! It's a situation that AMD have got to get out of or leave the discrete graphics card market behind and concentrate on where the market will be in a few years time.
 
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Ugh, begone troll. FIJI HBM.

And what the hell "leaks" are you on about? The dubious ones nobody believes? The obviously fake ones?
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It is clear now that the 390X will be the refreshed hawaii, and the Fiji will get a different name like the Titan, and go to the same ultra enthusiast market.

I talked about these leaks: http://cdn.videocardz.com/1/2015/05/NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-980TI-R9-300-Hawai-3DMark-FireStrike-Performance.png

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It is clear now that the 390X will be the refreshed hawaii, and the Fiji will get a different name like the Titan, and go to the same ultra enthusiast market.

I talked about these leaks: http://cdn.videocardz.com/1/2015/05/NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-980TI-R9-300-Hawai-3DMark-FireStrike-Performance.png

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Those pictures don't name the Hawaii XT as any particular version of R9 3xx, they could be R9 370's for all that shows! So regardless of if they're legit they don't lead to your conclusion as far as I can tell.
 
David Bisset said:
Those pictures don't name the Hawaii XT as any particular version of R9 3xx, they could be R9 370's for all that shows! So regardless of if they're legit they don't lead to your conclusion as far as I can tell.
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The major difference will be a different manufacturing process but performance on 28nm will be similiar so matching a 980 with the 290x tweaked version and 8gb ram well thats seems to me a good deal if priced accordingly.
The Zeus Edition will perform along the lines of TitanX.
HBM does it for me as if I buy a card I dont buy old tech.

28nm will stay at least for the next 18 months.
There is no magic for the die shrink and yeilds will run low at first and no 600mm die will happen on that node anytime soon.
 
David Bisset said:
Those pictures don't name the Hawaii XT as any particular version of R9 3xx, they could be R9 370's for all that shows! So regardless of if they're legit they don't lead to your conclusion as far as I can tell.
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Ok there was news about it that the Fiji will be on its own and the 290X->390X will be the 3XX flagship
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sweclockers.com%2Fnyhet%2F20510-amd-radeon-fiji-blir-haloprodukt-for-lyxlirare-och-entusiaster

...and the name of the Fiji card is under NDA...that means something.
 
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