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Ireland votes on gay marriage - why should I care?
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Why does it?
Will heterosexuals stop getting married and stop reproducing because bob and larry can now get wed?
If people feel that two people in love getting marriage somehow undermines their own then their own marriage can't exactly be as strong as they thought. Maybe they are just bitter because their loveless marriage is held together just for the kids.
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Could you explain further, as discussed earlier not everyone can reproduce ?
This one has flown straight over my head, are you saying homosexuals are less civilised than heterosexuals ?
You stated that marriage was specifically to
Which part of that does not apply to male homosexual couples who become parents by whatever means? It seems able to serve exactly the same function.
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What has love got to do with marriage? As I've already said, the state has no interest in love. Take a look at the relationship counselling thread: love is not dependable. Why make laws based upon that?
I seriously doubt there will be any issues of one homosexual man potentially getting knocked up by another man...
But the point you quote me on was historical, not current. Marriage today seems to be entirely divorced from its purpose (pun intended).
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If love has nothing to do with it then why do people vow to love and to cherish till death do they part. Marriage isn't just a legal contract.
They don't have to.. Vows are easy to change.
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I've already answered this earlier in the thread.
I am saying that homosexual couples have no value to a civilized society. As individuals they have a reduced value to society in terms of reproduction.
You should not confuse this with my saying they are worth less as people. I mean, a homosexual man who discovers the cure to cancer is obviously worth a great deal more than your average dole scum.
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I know but if it's just for practical, legal and reproductive reasons why not change the ceremony to be a list of terms and conditions?
I'm not arguing that marriage isn't about pooling resources to provide the best possible start for a new child but no one can say it isn't about being in a loving relationship and committing to your spouse.
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Well people can say what they please, the state doesn't care. You can get married vowing to loathe and despite one another. What the state cares about is your legal obligations to one another.
A lot of the MPs are gay. Of course they will get involved if it gets them votes.
Hmm, I think you're allowing too much of a separation between what people can achieve/become as people or individuals, from what they may become as part of a supportive relationship. I think homosexual couples as a specific entity have a value to society in terms of (potentially) improving the lives and achievements of homosexual people.
Then they can immigrate to whatever country they want to campaign in.
What makes you think that? They've still got Russia and other places to conquer. Then the next push for gay teachers in classrooms and no doubt teaching about gays. I'm sure they'll always find something to campaign about.
Probably at some point lowering the age of consent as well.
Is this some kind of modern Spartan view on society?
Surely by this logic are disabled and genetically un-pure, sterile and alike people are worthless too? You been reading too much Plato mate?
Is reproducing your sole purpose in life, your duty? Is this one of them weird opinions that white Brits are being out birthed by immigrant Muslims etc etc.
I suspect this surely.
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Perhaps there is something in that, true. But loving and supportive relationships can exist outside of marriage.
Efour said:Is this some kind of modern Spartan view on society?
The relationships of sterile people are of little interest to society. I'd argue that those with poor genetics are actually a threat to society if they are allowed to breed. But thankfully medical science is advancing to the point where we can fix many genetic issues.
You been reading too much Plato mate?
Plato says a lot of interesting things.
Reproducing is apparently the purpose of all life, since everything tries to reproduce.
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Pathetic comment. I can guarantee EVERY homosexual couple will have more value to society than you. You can take your outdated, idiotic views and go back to the stone age.
I'm confused by your comments
So what are you saying then?
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which is why you look at the change and define the harm. Bearing someone to death holds a large amount of harm, I struggle to see any harm homosexual marriage does? It certainly hasn't had any impact on my marriage.