Ireland votes on gay marriage - why should I care?

RDM said:
which is why you look at the change and define the harm. Bearing someone to death holds a large amount of harm, I struggle to see any harm homosexual marriage does? It certainly hasn't had any impact on my marriage.
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How do you know that?

[EDIT] Whoops. I didn't see the "my" in the underlined portion.

And my argument is that it will be difficult to prove the harm it has done to marriage, because this is something that will only become apparent over generations. There are studies which show higher divorce rates in countries with gay marriage, but that happens to coincide with the financial crash, so they are of no value.
 
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robgmun said:
No, they're an evolutionary dead end, an anomaly of nature, as much as it pains you, you cannot deny that fact.
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They may be an anomaly of nature and evolutionary dead end, but worthless to "civilised society" because of that? Not even close.

The very idea of civilised society takes us, as a species, far from our natural and base instincts. If we were to be entirely natural, marriage wouldn't even be considered... we'd be sowing our seeds as far and wide as we could.

By the very logic Thompson has applied in this thread, gay people aren't the downfall of a moralistic society... cheaters and those with children by multiple mothers are.
 
robgmun said:
No, they're an evolutionary dead end, an anomaly of nature, as much as it pains you, you cannot deny that fact.
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Black swans?

Gay parents are more successful at raising children as they secure a larger territory.

They have the eggs with a female the chase her away and raise the chicks together.
 
Pestilence said:
They may be an anomaly of nature and evolutionary dead end, but worthless to "civilised society" because of that? Not even close.

The very idea of civilised society takes us, as a species, far from our natural and base instincts. If we were to be entirely natural, marriage wouldn't even be considered... we'd be sowing our seeds as far and wide as we could.

By the very logic Thompson has applied in this thread, gay people aren't the downfall of a moralistic society... cheaters and those with children by multiple mothers are.
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I never said homosexuals were worthless to society. I said their relationships were. I dont think homosexuality is a problem in itself. I object to gay marriage specifically.

Infidelity is something which she be frowned upon by society. We do give tacit support to it via welfare, which is also very damaging for society.
 
PMKeates said:
You stated that marriage was specifically to
Which part of that does not apply to male homosexual couples who become parents by whatever means? It seems able to serve exactly the same function.
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How can a male homosexual couple ever become parents?

I mean you can mess a child's mind up by indoctrinating them into thinking that his parents are two males but they're not his parents.


This is just another perversion of the English language because all a judge needs to do is smack a hammer to render one/two random blokes "parents". I'm not sure exactly how adoption works but sufficed to say it's merely a legal definition and not actual/physical.
 
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MikeTheNative said:
I'm still confused as to how gays marrying, affects straight people?
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Of course it would. What if the kid they adopted turned out to be like Thompson_NCL? I'm not saying Thompson's views are right or wrong, but they are his views and that means anyone could potentially have them.

And that's not even touching on the disturbances a parenting environment consisting of just one sex would have on a child's psychosexual development.
 
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Thompson_NCL said:
It effects our idea of what marriage is.
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People days the same thing she interracial marriage not so long ago.

asim18 said:
Of course it would. What if the kid they adopted turned out to be like Thompson_NCL? I'm not saying Thompson's views are right or wrong, but they are his views and that means anyone could potentially have them.

And that's not even touching on the disturbances a parenting environment consisting of just one sex would have on a child's psychosexual development.
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Would have? You done an in-depth peer reviewed study then?
 
Woden said:
Would have? You done an in-depth peer reviewed study then?
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What? The whole idea of psychosexual development is that male and female "parent figures" both have distinct and separate effects/roles on boy's and girl's psychosexual development.

You cant just take out half of what psychosexual development entails and then expect psychosexual development to still occur normally.
 
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