Ireland votes on gay marriage - why should I care?

asim18 said:
What? The whole basis of psychosexual development is that male and female "parent figures" both have distinct and separate effects on boy's and girl's psychosexual development.

You cant just take out half of what psychosexual development entails and then expect psychosexual development to still occur normally.
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So your against gay adoption and single parents then?
 
asim18 said:
What? The whole idea of psychosexual development is that male and female "parent figures" both have distinct and separate effects/roles on boy's and girl's psychosexual development.

You cant just take out half of what psychosexual development entails and then expect psychosexual development to still occur normally.
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From the man that brought you "mouthsex" ladies and gentleman...
 
MikeTheNative said:
So your against gay adoption and single parents then?
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Isn't it a well known fact that children raised by single parents are more likely to have problems, and not just psychological problems?

I think indoctrinating a child into a homosexual lifestyle can be potentially volatile for the child itself, that's not because I'm against gays before someone gets me wrong in typical OcUK fashion, it's because people still exist who are against gays and this child could be victim to mental torture.

It could be better in some aspects or in certain situations if adopting was deferred to a time when homosexuality is more accepted, because at this present moment in time I think it could have consequences on the child.
 
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Asim18 makes a good point, I shake my head every time I see a ginger couple at the mental anguish their inevitably soulless child will suffer over their lifetime.
 
robgmun said:
No, they're an evolutionary dead end, an anomaly of nature, as much as it pains you, you cannot deny that fact.
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LOL pains me :confused::p ? Evolutionary dead end?? What the **** language are you guys speaking? Its like talking to Charles Darwin's ghost. Just for the record you're polluting the gene pool by laying with a Chinese woman, you're a filthy example of evolution and impurity:D. You are the sickest kind of Aryan!

Do you walk around the street tutting at "evolutionary dead end" people like The disabled, sterile, "Ugly" people and gingers?

I mean, i suppose its better than just saying "i hate poofs cos them bum each other" but in some ways its sadder because there is no rational explanation for such a strange viewpoint. I dont know. As i said to the other guy, if you were deeply religious or something i could at least understand the viewpoint more. Not this "end of the line" half assed excuse.

In a massively overpopulated world i think people having less kids is absolutely brilliant: Maybe its gods plan, she works in mysterious ways! :D
 
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asim18 said:
I think indoctrinating a child into a homosexual lifestyle can be potentially volatile for the child itself, that's not because I'm against gays before someone gets me wrong in typical OcUK fashion, it's because people still exist who are against gays and this child could be victim to mental torture.
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I agree its like raising a child in a Sikh or Muslim household, its not because im a racist religion hating, intolerant ****, before someone gets me wrong in typical OcUK fashion, it's because people still exist who are against foreign looking people and this child could be victim to mental torture.

Intolerance is such a wonderful thing. Look how it unites us this glorious morning. :p
 
asim18 said:
Of course it would. What if the kid they adopted turned out to be like Thompson_NCL? I'm not saying Thompson's views are right or wrong, but they are his views and that means anyone could potentially have them.

And that's not even touching on the disturbances a parenting environment consisting of just one sex would have on a child's psychosexual development.
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So gay couples/single parents kids are screwed. If a marriage breaks down, its game over for the kids full stop. Should we just bin them and concentrate on the ones from "normal" households, why gamble on the trashy kids?
 
Urgh enough of this gay speak! I feel so dirty. Time to scrub these foul ideas from my pure soul :P

You funny guys !
 
asim18 said:
Isn't it a well known fact that children raised by single parents are more likely to have problems, and not just psychological problems?

I think indoctrinating a child into a homosexual lifestyle can be potentially volatile for the child itself, that's not because I'm against gays before someone gets me wrong in typical OcUK fashion, it's because people still exist who are against gays and this child could be victim to mental torture.

It could be better in some aspects or in certain situations if adopting was deferred to a time when homosexuality is more accepted, because at this present moment in time I think it could have consequences on the child.
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Marriage and adoption/surrogacy are different issues and are not mutually exclusive. Also I would argue that bouncing from care home to care home does a child a lot more damage than having two loving parents of the same sex. Bad parents are bad parents whether they are single or in a couple.

As for your disgusting single parent comments, I was brought up by my father after the marriage broke down and I've never been arrested, I don't drink, smoke or do drugs, I work and pay taxes just like you do and I seem to be well adjusted and more accepting/tolerant than some pro-straight marriage people in this thread.

asim18 said:
Of course it would. What if the kid they adopted turned out to be like Thompson_NCL? I'm not saying Thompson's views are right or wrong, but they are his views and that means anyone could potentially have them.

And that's not even touching on the disturbances a parenting environment consisting of just one sex would have on a child's psychosexual development.
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You mean that two gay parents might even teach children tolerance and acceptance, who would want that?!?!?

I'm not sure what indoctrination gay people would do, I was brought up by a straight couple and then a single straight father who is mildly racist and homophobic, surely his indoctrination of me should mean that I am now racist and homophobic?
 
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asim18 said:
Isn't it a well known fact that children raised by single parents are more likely to have problems, and not just psychological problems?
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Ah, the well known fact. Commonly associated with "it's common sense innit".

That point, even if true, doesn't address why having two parents of the same sex would be a bad thing and ignores that there are multiple factors which could influence why a child may have problems within a single parent household or indeed in any household - often poverty is highlighted as a bigger influence than pretty much anything else.

asim18 said:
I think indoctrinating a child into a homosexual lifestyle can be potentially volatile for the child itself, that's not because I'm against gays before someone gets me wrong in typical OcUK fashion, it's because people still exist who are against gays and this child could be victim to mental torture.

It could be better in some aspects or in certain situations if adopting was deferred to a time when homosexuality is more accepted, because at this present moment in time I think it could have consequences on the child.
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So essentially some people suck. I'm glad we can agree but what if there's an element ingrained (for want of a better word) in society who will never accept homosexuality - should we always put off allowing homosexual parents in your view because of that? What's the tipping point where there's enough acceptance and is there anything we can do to influence it beyond actually showing that children from homosexual couples tend to be as well adjusted as any other.

Also worth noting that kids can be horrible for any reason whatsoever - it's not just that one of them has two dads, they can be too big/small/rich/poor/wear glasses//bad at sports/smart/ have a dodgy leg... pick anything that makes a child different to another and potentially they'll be picked on for it. It renders the argument about them being the victim of mental torture due to the sexual orientation of their parents as somewhat irrelevant.
 
I think I should be shocked by the ridiculously narrow minded views being put forward by Thompson_NCL and robgmun, but then again I've gleaned some things about their personalities having read their posts for some time now, so I'm not.

One question though, if 'Gay Marriage' is the end of civilisation as we know it, how come we even have a civilisation now since 'Gay Marriage' has existed throughout history...

There is a history of same-sex unions in cultures around the world. Various types of same-sex unions have existed, ranging from informal, unsanctioned, and temporary relationships to highly ritualized unions that have included marriage

A same-sex union was known in Ancient Greece and Rome,[2] ancient Mesopotamia,[3] in some regions of China, such as Fujian province, and at certain times in ancient European history.[4] These same-sex unions continued until Christianity became the official religion of the Roman Empire

At least two of the Roman Emperors were in same-sex unions; and in fact, thirteen out of the first fourteen Roman Emperors held to be bisexual or exclusively homosexual.
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It seems it's only been since the rise of Christianity that the notion of marriage is for procreation and heterosexuals only has risen to promenance in modern times.

lolreligion.
 
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I love the way the same forum members are wrong about everything all the time.

It must be quite taxing to be a small minded stupid bigot, living in a world of intolerance & petty fear.
 
asim18 said:
I think indoctrinating a child into a homosexual lifestyle can be potentially volatile for the child itself, that's not because I'm against gays before someone gets me wrong in typical OcUK fashion, it's because people still exist who are against gays and this child could be victim to mental torture.
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On the flip side, look at all those children indoctrinated into the heterosexual lifestyle!

Oh, and GAYS !!!!!!!!!!!
 
asim18 said:
I think indoctrinating a child into a homosexual lifestyle can be potentially volatile for the child itself, that's not because I'm against gays before someone gets me wrong in typical OcUK fashion, it's because people still exist who are against gays and this child could be victim to mental torture.
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I think if a child has bigoted parents (more-so as there is a chance the child itself would be gay) that would be significantly worse. What matters is growing up in a loving stable home with the correct balance between encouragement & discipline. This can be achieved or failed by any combination of parent.

Using the logic you presented should people of ethnic origin not have children because racists still exist in the UK?. The pressure is not on the children or gay people who wish to make a home for children who severely need one, it's on the knuckle dragging Neanderthals of society to catch up with social progress.

The Geezer said:
Careful elmarko, they will call foul and say they are being victimised :rolleyes:

/irony
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STOP INTERFEARING WITH MY FREEDOM TO DENY OTHER PEOPLE FREEDOM!

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I personally know a gay couple who have several adopted children. They are great parents and their kids are also very well rounded. I think it is pure fallacy to say that single parent families, or families with same sex parents are deficient. I think the issues we see in kids with single parent families are very much to do with the quality of the parent and nothing at all to do with the fact that they are parenting on their own.

I know several single parents and their kids are great. Likewise, I know families with a traditional family make up (mum, dad and 2.5 kids) and their kids are out of control, have behavioural issues and generally are not fun to be around.

So let us drop this fallacy.

I personally don't see a problem with same sex marriage. But then I am not religious in any way. By that token, my marriage to my wife is also illicit because neither of us hold to a faith and we had a civil ceremony.

People talk about their beliefs on what marriage should be and mine is a joining of two people who love each other and want to spend their lives together. Why should it matter if they are the same sex? Why should they be denied benefits under law that a heterosexual couple would have?

The only reasons I have thus far seen against same sex marriage is due to antiquated religious beliefs and what appears to be bigotted ignorance (Are they the same thing?). In other words a whole lot of derp. :)
 
dirtychinchilla said:
Gay people are not evolutionarily dead, sorry. You're just completely wrong. Moronic opinion.
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Technically we are, we are wired to like the same sex making non-assisted reproduction impossible. What benefit is that to the gene pool?

That isn't touching on the philosophical side of it, the meaning of life, etc..

I don't think asim meant it in a malicious way.
 
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