paracetamol challenge - I am completely at a loss

If someone's dumb enough to do it, let them! The fewer drains on our resources the better.
 
arknor said:
kill yourself for free with the water challenge. yes you really can die from drinking to much water in to short a space of time
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Isn't that how E kills people? (IE Not so much drug toxicity but water toxicity from the uncontrollable thirst that E use can produce)
 
Orionaut said:
Isn't that how E kills people? (IE Not so much drug toxicity but water toxicity from the uncontrollable thirst that E use can produce)
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Mostly, E kills people by the E they buy not actually being E, but rather something rather toxic (effects of prohibition)

Leah Betts, famously (notoriously?), died of excessive water consumption. It doesn't happen often, though.
 
I know people are stupid, that's why I don't love them all :p

But all the same... I gotta give people enough credit for this not to be a real 'thing'... surely?

It might be just one of those things the media got informed about from some daft source and decided to blow it up to sensational proportions.
 
cheesyboy said:
Mostly, E kills people by the E they buy not actually being E, but rather something rather toxic (effects of prohibition)

Leah Betts, famously (notoriously?), died of excessive water consumption. It doesn't happen often, though.
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Leah Betts had taken proper MDMA though. Not something else. Her water intoxication came about because of paranoia of not drinking enough water while on E. So she chugged a load and the effect of E makes it harder to pass urine. So she doubled the causes of water intoxication by drinking too much in a short period of time and not being able to ****, retaining a brave chunk of what she was taking in. You don't even need to be taking E to give yourself water intoxication. People exercising can inadvertently give themselves water intoxication by over hydrating while working out.

The "toxic" MDMA sold is usually research chemicals passed off as being proper MDMA. Or MDMA cut with other drugs, such as ketamine. The really trippy pills are the ones usually cut with ket. Back in the day I had many trippy pills and the effects on you are more like sinking into the K hole than riding high on E.
 
OhEsEcks said:
Leah Betts had taken proper MDMA though. Not something else. Her water intoxication came about because of paranoia of not drinking enough water while on E. So she chugged a load and the effect of E makes it harder to pass urine. So she doubled the causes of water intoxication by drinking too much in a short period of time and not being able to ****, retaining a brave chunk of what she was taking in. You don't even need to be taking E to give yourself water intoxication. People exercising can inadvertently give themselves water intoxication by over hydrating while working out.

The "toxic" MDMA sold is usually research chemicals passed off as being proper MDMA. Or MDMA cut with other drugs, such as ketamine. The really trippy pills are the ones usually cut with ket. Back in the day I had many trippy pills and the effects on you are more like sinking into the K hole than riding high on E.
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This is all correct. MDMA is actually a pretty safe chemical, it's the other crap it's sometimes cut or mixed with and too much water that usually cause problems

But it's not usually ket its cut with, usually some kind of piperazine
 
OhEsEcks said:
Leah Betts had taken proper MDMA though. Not something else. Her water intoxication came about because of paranoia of not drinking enough water while on E. So she chugged a load and the effect of E makes it harder to pass urine. So she doubled the causes of water intoxication by drinking too much in a short period of time and not being able to ****, retaining a brave chunk of what she was taking in. You don't even need to be taking E to give yourself water intoxication. People exercising can inadvertently give themselves water intoxication by over hydrating while working out.

The "toxic" MDMA sold is usually research chemicals passed off as being proper MDMA. Or MDMA cut with other drugs, such as ketamine. The really trippy pills are the ones usually cut with ket. Back in the day I had many trippy pills and the effects on you are more like sinking into the K hole than riding high on E.
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That's what I was saying - that the most famous case of E-related death was due to excessive water consumption (in line with previous poster's thoughts on water toxicity), but that generally that's not the case, and that E-related deaths are almost always due to contaminated drugs.
 
Almost all "E" tablets are contaminated since pure MDMA can't be formed into a pill. It needs a filler to hold it together as a pill. Which is usually drugs like ket or amphetamine. Pure MDMA only comes in crystal form.
 
OhEsEcks said:
Almost all "E" tablets are contaminated since pure MDMA can't be formed into a pill. It needs a filler to hold it together as a pill. Which is usually drugs like ket or amphetamine. Pure MDMA only comes in crystal form.
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No it isn't. There have been loads of MDMA only pills around for years now, they are held together with a binder not other drugs.
 
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