Dog Eating Festival

Twirlywoos · 2 Jun 2015 at 16:42

Yet people support the Chinese economic system in various ways. Boycott the place if you have morals and standards.

Glaucus · 2 Jun 2015 at 16:44

majnu said:
Yet people support the Chinese economic system in various ways. Boycott the place if you have morals and standards.

Which also won't help.in fact it would increase the longevity of poor human and animal rights.
It costs lots of money for human and animal rights. Money china simply doesn't have.

Progress is a slow think and has to devloped slowly. You can't expect less developed countries to suddenly change over night. It's taken us hundreds of years to get where we are.

Arthur Hucksake · 2 Jun 2015 at 16:45

Calling them Dog Eaters shouldn't be considered a racist phrase but it is. Why is that?

Beerguzzler · 2 Jun 2015 at 16:45

Glaucus said:
It absolutely is cute and fluffy syndrome. If it was what you said it would be a general protest for animal rights. As all other animals over there are equally terribly treated.
So try again.

The reaction has come from the photos and videos generated from the market, not the fact they are eating dogs. I'm pretty sure there are petitions for other animals as well. So try again.

elmarko · 2 Jun 2015 at 16:46

Sliver said:
Are you suggesting people eating meat are barbarians ? We are evolved primates and we have evolved as omnivores. Eating meat is not 'barbarian' it's simply part of the natural order we find ourselves in.

In the words of Julian Baggini.

"Even if we can agree that some things are natural and some are not, what follows from this? The answer is: nothing. There is no factual reason to suppose that what is natural is good (or at least better) and what is unnatural is bad (or at least worse)."

What you are presenting is an appeal to nature - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_nature, a logical fallacy. That's ignoring the glaringly obvious examples of behaviours & actions which are entirely 'natural' but utterly undesirable or considered morally void in this day & age.

Avenged7Fold said:
I think he is saying our social attitudes are forever evolving and that people in the future may have a view so different to ours, that they might consider us barbarians.

I glad somebody was able to read the context clearly. Personally I believe this to be pretty much a certainty if you look at our own moral evolution over the last few hundred years.

Glaucus · 2 Jun 2015 at 16:49

Beerguzzler said:
The reaction has come from the photos and videos generated from the market, not the fact they are eating dogs. I'm pretty sure there are petitions for other animals as well. So try again.

the reaction has come from dog loving people and little else.
You rarely see such pertitions for other animals, other than cute or fluffy ones.

You honestly think it would have taken off in the same way for chicken cruelty? You're deluding yourself if you think that.

Arthur Hucksake · 2 Jun 2015 at 16:52

Glaucus said:
the reaction has come from dog loving people and little else.
You rarely see such pertitions for other animals, other than cute or fluffy ones.

You honestly think it would have taken off in the same way for chicken cruelty? You're deluding yourself if you think that.

It already did and has tbh. KFC are always being given flack.

MikeTheNative · 2 Jun 2015 at 16:54

Glaucus said:
the reaction has come from dog loving people and little else.
You rarely see such pertitions for other animals, other than cute or fluffy ones.

You honestly think it would have taken off in the same way for chicken cruelty? You're deluding yourself if you think that.

Can't you remember the massive scandal about china's treatment of chickens?

Glaucus · 2 Jun 2015 at 16:55

Arthur Hucksake said:
It already did and has tbh. KFC are always being given flack.

Not even close, peta and other groups, vs general public.

Avenged7Fold · 2 Jun 2015 at 16:55

Arthur Hucksake said:
Calling them Dog Eaters shouldn't be considered a racist phrase but it is. Why is that?

Because you are stereotyping a race based on a small and ever dying minority. The oriental side of my family have never practice dog skinning or any other acts of cruelty described in this thread, yet several times in this thread people have named the east barbaric and savage. Assigning socially negative views on a race is racist regardless of whether the negative views are moral or not. It is not right or wrong, it is the stereotyping and condemning of a race which is racist, not the actual 'dog eating' part of it.

Would it be racist to call orientals squint eyed? Yes of course! Is there any bad connotations assigned with having oriental eyes? no. is the term use negatively in a social environment, yes.

Avenged7Fold · 2 Jun 2015 at 17:01

Arthur Hucksake said:
It already did and has tbh. KFC are always being given flack.

TBF look at why KFC has been given flack. It isnt the cruelty which sparks interest but rather the disgust in people after finding out how far from natural chickens the KFC chickens had become. People were sickened that they ingested these malformed abused animals out of personal disgust of the act rather than the chickens well being. Whenever anything about KFC/McDonalkds kicks off, the media try to portray how disgusting it is for the human rather than how cruel it is for the animal. If it really was about the animals, the media would portray that but sad fact of the matter is; people care more about people than animals and how can anyone expect otherwise?

Sliver · 2 Jun 2015 at 17:02

elmarko said:
What you are presenting is an appeal to nature - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_nature, a logical fallacy. That's ignoring the glaringly obvious examples of behaviours & actions which are entirely 'natural' but utterly undesirable or considered morally void in this day & age.

No. It' not an appeal to nature or a fallacy. We evolved as omnivores. How is that a fallacy ? Eating meat is natural for our species.

Beerguzzler · 2 Jun 2015 at 17:04

Glaucus said:
the reaction has come from dog loving people and little else.
You rarely see such pertitions for other animals, other than cute or fluffy ones.

You honestly think it would have taken off in the same way for chicken cruelty? You're deluding yourself if you think that.

Yes it has perhaps come from dog loving people but that doesn't detract from the fact that the brutal images are what caused the outrage. If there wasn't any then would there be this petition? Maybe yes, maybe no. I don't think it invalidates it if more people feel strongly for dogs than chickens, does that make it ok to carry on the slaughter techniques? Also, are chickens skinned, bludgeoned or boiled alive the same way the 'fluffy' animals are? There are still a lot of people who care for general welfare of all animals.

McGray · 2 Jun 2015 at 17:05

Sliver said:
Eating meat is natural for our species.

As is treating animals like **** apparently.

The Geezer · 2 Jun 2015 at 17:08

Beerguzzler said:
Yes it has perhaps come from dog loving people but that doesn't detract from the fact that the brutal images are what caused the outrage. If there wasn't any then would there be this petition? Maybe yes, maybe no. I don't think it invalidates it if more people feel strongly for dogs than chickens, does that make it ok to carry on the slaughter techniques? Also, are chickens skinned, bludgeoned or boiled alive the same way the 'fluffy' animals are? There are still a lot of people who care for general welfare of all animals.

It would be good know of the 200,000 who have signed the petitions if they sign other animal welfare petitions

Avenged7Fold · 2 Jun 2015 at 17:11

Sliver said:
No. It' not an appeal to nature or a fallacy. We evolved as omnivores. How is that a fallacy ? Eating meat is natural for our species.

He is not arguing against the eating of meat and though he doesn't do it himself, saying that we have always done it before is not a justification of continuing to do it. Way i see it, elmarko's comments are neither for or against meat and the only food he is dishing out is food for thought.

Is that right Elmarko?

I feel like a translator xD

Sliver · 2 Jun 2015 at 17:11

McGray said:
As is treating animals like **** apparently.

Treating animals as **** is not something you can attribute to evolution. It's what certain individuals within a species do.

Eating meat is what our species has always done and is why we are omnivores.

Beerguzzler · 2 Jun 2015 at 17:11

The Geezer said:
It would be good know of the 200,000 who have signed the petitions if they sign other animal welfare petitions

It would, and who knows, maybe they'll be more interested in future petitions as well.

Sliver · 2 Jun 2015 at 17:12

Avenged7Fold said:
He is not arguing against the eating of meat and though he doesn't do it himself, saying that we have always done it before is not a justification of continuing to do it. Way i see it, elmarko's comments are neither for or against meat and the only food he is dishing out is food for thought.

Is that right Elmarko?

I feel like a translator xD

No need to translate. I simply disagree with him. Translate that to him if you like. :rolleyes:

McGray · 2 Jun 2015 at 17:12

Sliver said:
Treating animals as **** is not something you can attribute to evolution. It's what certain individuals within a species do.

Eating meat is what our species has always done and is why we are omnivores.

Do you struggle day to day?