Dog Eating Festival

McGray said:
Do you struggle day to day?
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No. Not really a problem. Sometimes I need to unblock my sink which can be a struggle, or maybe I find myself in conversation with a turkey sandwich (that can be annoying) but otherwise I'm good.

How about you ? Still got that problem with fish ?
 
So long as it's farmed ethically, i don't see the difference between this and general farming of cows, pigs, chickens, horse, deer, fish etc.

If it's not farmed nicely, (which it isn't) then yeah, i would have a problem with that. But not because it's dog rather than pig.

MookJong said:
The treatment of the animal is all that matters, not what type of animal you are eating.
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Indeed.
 
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I'm not too worried about this, to be honest. Look at what happens in our giant chicken factories over here, our cattle farms and all of that. The one thing I don't agree with is the miss-selling of meat, such as the horsemeat scandal. I don't have a problem with people eating pretty much anything, (except human), as long as they know what they are eating.

People like eating animal testicles and whatnot, I certainly wouldn't go on a moral outrage against that.
 
I can vouch for how tasty dog is. Needs to be beated prior to being slaughter else it can be a bit chewy.

Singling out a single species is just hypocritical for any meat eater IMO.

Got legs but ain't human then get in my belly.
 
Horse, cat, dog, cow, pig, lamb etc etc..........Meat eaters. We dont eat dog or cat here but if it is anothers culture to do so who are we to complain? As long as the animals are treated correctly is all that matters.
 
Avenged7Fold said:
Who are you to say that for humans in general? You can say that it is wrong for you to eat dogs because of your special relationship with them but your moral standing on animals doesn't match mine.
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You can apply that reasoning to anything. Human sacrifice was ok in South American civs because culture. Cannibalism in Fiji was ok too, for the same reason.

I dont disagree that we should treat animals better but you are saying it is wrong for people in general to eat dogs on the basis of your own personal thoughts on the matter. You can bet the guys who originally domesticated dogs did not share your view.

Dogs may be among the first domesticated animals but oxen/cows/chickens have also been domesticated for thousands of years and have been bred and evolved for our purposes. Where do you draw the line?
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We should not be killing and eating thinking, feeling animals but we've not progressed to that point so the line should perhaps be drawn at thinking, feeling animals who can easily understand and communicate with us? Like dogs.

You shouldn't assume your empathy towards dogs are shared between all humans, nor should you assume it is the correct way. Cats have been used for thousands of years to keep rodents from getting to food on ships and in homes. Horses were bred and fed to be our travel partners and companions into battle. Humans have used what they have to hand to make life easier for them and have shaped things in their favour for their own benefit. Is our mercy to animals first come first serve?
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I don't care if my empathy is shared or not but I do see that, as the human civilisation progresses, so does the level of empathy towards other life forms, particularly those who are very close to us.

MichaelAwkward said:
How are dogs our evolutionary partners more than any other animal that has historically close relationships with humans? Cats? Horses? Not sure what bearing that really has on classifying animals are okay to eat or not.
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They are partners because they were not tamed, they approached humans as scavangers initially and then they joined the human families. Dogs see humans as part of their pack, no other animal does this. Again, we should not eat any thinking, feeling animal but that's not realistic nowadays so we can start working towards it by treating dogs properly.

Avenged7Fold said:
Cause his mum said they didnt have room for a horse and she is allergic to cats, so they ended up getting a dog?

He is projecting his own humanity onto his pet. Perfectly normal but not very logical
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I'm not projecting anything and I don't have any pets. As we co-evolved, they have actually adopted many human traits, such as speech (barking) or adult playfullness, among other things. They literally are very similar to humans.
 
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koolpc said:
Horse, cat, dog, cow, pig, lamb etc etc..........Meat eaters. We dont eat dog or cat here but if it is anothers culture to do so who are we to complain? As long as the animals are treated correctly is all that matters.
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But they're not, that's the point.
 
What China does in it's own country is China's business
(unlike the UK where where we are all told what to think or do by Europe)

don't forget, bear bile farming is pretty sick too.


Where we can stick our nose in is China's trade in ivory.
 
Sliver said:
No. It' not an appeal to nature or a fallacy. We evolved as omnivores. How is that a fallacy ? Eating meat is natural for our species.
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The point I'm making is that nothing follows from saying that it's natural.

It's not an argument for or against.
 
I thought lots of Brits ate dogs too?

I’ve seen loads of stickers on cars saying “A dog is for life not just for Christmas” indicating that many get eaten on Christmas Day?

I lived in China (Hong Kong) for two years and every so often dogs would be “rescued” by the authorities and shown on television. Most of them were in terrible condition infected with mange etc it was a wonder anyone could eat them.
 
Avenged7Fold said:
He is not arguing against the eating of meat and though he doesn't do it himself, saying that we have always done it before is not a justification of continuing to do it. Way i see it, elmarko's comments are neither for or against meat and the only food he is dishing out is food for thought.

Is that right Elmarko?

I feel like a translator xD
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Indeed.

He seems to be missing the point, his argument about it being naturally simply doesn't have any value or implies otherwise.

Sliver said:
No need to translate. I simply disagree with him. Translate that to him if you like. :rolleyes:
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What do you disagree with exactly?.

It's biologically natural for us to have the capacity to eat meat, but this isn't that strong of a basis as it's also biologically natural for us to have the capacity to live without it.

Natural/nature should never be invoked in a debate as it simply says nothing for the virtues or benefits of a given choice, this is what I was getting at. There is an endless list of conditions, experiences & occurrences which are entirely natural but also highly undesirable (death by preventable disease, sub 40 life-spans, regular starvation & famine).
 
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Belly said:
I lived in China (Hong Kong) for two years and every so often dogs would be “rescued” by the authorities and shown on television. Most of them were in terrible condition infected with mange etc it was a wonder anyone could eat them.
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You see animals in much the same sort of state within the cheap UK chicken and duck meat industries.
 
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