Theresa May Wants To Deport All Foreign Benefit Claimants!

knip said:
Most of the "welfare burden" is actually spent on pensions, why don't people get this. Let's just start killing old people then hey? :rolleyes:
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What is your point? Most people who will get a state pension are British people who have worked here most of their life and have historical ties to this nation. Those are exactly the sort of people we should be helping, not some third world immigrant.
 
estebanrey said:
....OK so I've extrapolated a little...

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2012/apr/08/theresa-may-end-deportation-bar



That effectively means everyone without a British birth certificate and is unemployed, or even on low pay or decent pay but struggles due to having a disabled child could theoretically be deported. :eek:

Listen I'm no hippie, and don't have an issue with immediate deportation of all convicted foreign criminals, but to be able to deport someone just because they're poor, regardless of whether they've done anything wrong or not sounds scary?
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not really, sounds quite sensible... most countries have an immigration policy - we shouldn't just let people who cheat the system stay here

it doesn't affect EU immigrants

non-EU people who come here have to meet certain criteria for immigration - they get work visas or are refugees

other people come here too and bypass the system, perhaps entering on a tourist or student visa - deporting them shouldn't be a problem. People who are here on work visas and end up unemployed are no longer much use either... we're fairly relaxed about giving out citizenship and residency to people who've been here a few years compared to other countries so you're talking about people who have only been here temporarily - why should they be a burden? You can apply for citizenship after living here legally for 5 years so we really are talking about foreigners who've got another country they belong to.

And ditto to foreign criminals - you come here and commit crimes we should be able to deport you to your home country - getting someone pregnant over here shouldn't be an automatic bar to say deporting someone convicted of violent crimes.
 
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knip said:
Most of the "welfare burden" is actually spent on pensions, why don't people get this. Let's just start killing old people then hey? :rolleyes:
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Really don't see the issue with pensioners the majority of whom have either worked all their lives making tax and NI contributions over several decades... or been married to/supporting and raising a family with someone in that category.

Yes it can be said to be part of the overall 'benefits' budget - but I'd classify them alongside the disabled - they're not expected to work, that we pay for them shouldn't matter.

It is everyone else that we need to be more concerned about - everyone who is below pension age and doesn't have a disability. If they're only entitled to be here under a work related visa and they're not working or they're not a citizen yet and they commit a serious offence... well perhaps they should leave.
 
The pension pot should be ringfenced. Those people have already spent their working lives contributing to the Nation. The provision for the severely disabled and those genuinely unable to work should also be ringfenced. Everything else is fair game IMHO.
 
Thompson_NCL said:
What is your point? Most people who will get a state pension are British people who have worked here most of their life and have historical ties to this nation. Those are exactly the sort of people we should be helping, not some third world immigrant.
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So are you saying a working 'third world immigrant' who pays their tax are not allowed a state pension ?
 
I don't know if all you Brits have no shame and can't understand a thing? Because every time you see people lashing out about the benefits it's the unemployed are at blame. Yet on the chart you can see that the Jobseeker's Allowance is represented by a tiny purple strip. All the unemployed are responsible for are that tiny purple strip.

You can argue that the unemployed can often claim housing benefit, but that is a completely different story. The house prices are over inflated due to lack of available housing and greedy buy to rent landlords. In USA you can buy a house for 20k or less. Don't blame people that they have no home and cant afford the rent.

So why the unemployed are at fault? It's Hitler tactics, Nazi tactics. Unite people under a flag of hatred towards a random group of people and blame everything on them, remember?

People lashing out on the unemployed (especially after unemployment has drastically reduced in recent years) disgust me. They are nothing else than were-racists and were-Nazi. If you look at figures unemployment benefits is a relatively small problem, but draws the most attention from people channelling their hate.
 
sand_dune said:
I don't know if all you Brits have no shame and can't understand a thing? Because every time you see people lashing out about the benefits it's the unemployed are at blame. Yet on the chart you can see that the Jobseeker's Allowance is represented by a tiny purple strip. All the unemployed are responsible for are that tiny purple strip.
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The fact that JSA is a tiny % is rather irrelevant... I'm not even sure what point you're trying to make with your general attack on 'Brits'.

People want to see the welfare budget reduced - targeting people who are below retirement age and could potentially work would seem to be a sensible thing to do. Getting rid of people who are not from this country and are struggling to find work is also fairly sensible.
 
bitslice said:
What was so sensitive about Abu Qatada?
Nobody wanted him here.
The fact that it was so legally complicated to get rid of the cockroach is exactly what needs fixing.
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Perhaps I should have said "legally and morally" complicated. As you're surely well aware, he was sentenced to life imprisonment in Jordan on "extremely thin" (Sir John Mitting) evidence produced from torture. The British and European legal systems did the right thing by protecting him from being deported to face a flawed trial. Can you not see a problem with this? Or do you only read the tabloid headlines?

Thanks to this pressure the Jordanian courts eventually agreed not to use any evidence from torture and May was able to finally get rid of him. If she'd had her way I've no doubt she'd have deported him right into a flawed trial.

P.S. forgot to mention - the article in the OP is from 2012. Funny seeing all the posts in agreement presumably responding only to the thread title.
 
dowie said:
Really don't see the issue with pensioners the majority of whom have either worked all their lives making tax and NI contributions over several decades... or been married to/supporting and raising a family with someone in that category.
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George Hincapie said:
The pension pot should be ringfenced. Those people have already spent their working lives contributing to the Nation. The provision for the severely disabled and those genuinely unable to work should also be ringfenced. Everything else is fair game IMHO.
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I would be for ringfencing if you capped the pension paid out to what people paid in adjusted for inflation.
 
I wish they could make their minds up. One minute they are telling us foreign people come here work harder and do jobs the lazy Brits wont do.

Now they want to deport them because they are on benefits. Exactly how bad is the problem of immigration and benefits?

There was an article on the Telegraph website about a month back saying that they underestimated the number of Romanian and Bulgarian immigrants by 500%.

They currently had 176,000 waiting for National Insurance numbers. They article was whoosed a couple of days later.
 
drakioned said:
I would be for ringfencing if you capped the pension paid out to what people paid in adjusted for inflation.
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you can't really do that unfortunately - you still need to have a minimum payment to cover people who haven't made contributions through their lives... i.e. people who've been living on benefits for most of that time, they're still going to need pensions too
 
any foreign national who commits are serious crime here should be booted out. i don't give a toss how many kids they have, want to live in the uk obey the law end of story.
 
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dowie said:
you can't really do that unfortunately - you still need to have a minimum payment to cover people who haven't made contributions through their lives... i.e. people who've been living on benefits for most of that time, they're still going to need pensions too
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Why? We don't have a problem with letting young people starve to death, why should we have a problem with letting older people who haven't paid into the system starve to death?
 
dowie said:
The fact that JSA is a tiny % is rather irrelevant... I'm not even sure what point you're trying to make with your general attack on 'Brits'.

People want to see the welfare budget reduced - targeting people who are below retirement age and could potentially work would seem to be a sensible thing to do. Getting rid of people who are not from this country and are struggling to find work is also fairly sensible.
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There's no evidence that bill reduction is the final solution. What is necessary is to organise the benefits that the budget does not get wasted.

You can't get rid of people from other countries if they are legally here and committing no crime by saying oh look they are lower than us they are not as well off. That doesn't make sense.


Edit: The point about the JSA is that MOST people complain about the unemployed, completely wasting their breath.
 
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Thing is most benefit claims are made by British born residents who feel they are entitled to benefits and haven't worked a minute of there life's . Families who have 6 to 7 kids and never worked a day in there life.... these are the people who are a burden on the benefits ....I am a so called high earner by public opinion in the top 8% yet i still dont have kids why because am still setting a foundation for my kids. I dont want no state handouts ...until we get stop paying for people with 6 to 7 kids..nothing will change. If you cant afford them dont have them....if you do its your responsibility ..keep your legs closed and trousers on
 
Brutos said:
Thing is most benefit claims are made by British born residents who feel they are entitled to benefits and haven't worked a minute of there life's . Families who have 6 to 7 kids and never worked a day in there life.... these are the people who are a burden on the benefits ....I am a so called high earner by public opinion in the top 8% yet i still dont have kids why because am still setting a foundation for my kids. I dont want no state handouts ...until we get stop paying for people with 6 to 7 kids..nothing will change. If you cant afford them dont have them....if you do its your responsibility ..keep your legs closed and trousers on
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Sounds about right.

Therefore people should stop justifying their "foreigners go home (auslander raus)" screams by claiming foreigners cost us in benefits. Same goes for Tories, they only do it because it is popular, as people generally hate foreigners for no other than "destroying local communities".
 
joeyjojo said:
Perhaps I should have said "legally and morally" complicated. As you're surely well aware, he was sentenced to life imprisonment in Jordan on "extremely thin" (Sir John Mitting) evidence produced from torture.
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Yes, but look at the kind of things he has said whilst being safe in Britain, "it is OK to kill Jews".
I don't want that kind of beardy loon in this country, and frankly I don't care where he ends up just as long as he's not here.

If people want to spout pixie nonsense then they can do it in a sandy toilet, not in the UK.
 
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