Theresa May Wants To Deport All Foreign Benefit Claimants!

Schlong&Stable · 3 Jun 2015 at 19:42

LordSplodge said:
Right, so your only 'value' over somebody not native is the fact you're happened to be born here. So blind luck gives you more value. Wow!

What was the blind luck exactly? I couldn't have been born elsewhere :confused:

arknor · 3 Jun 2015 at 19:45

D.P. said:
Well done on choosing Britain as your country of Birth. So many options out there, you could have ended up anyway where but you were so smart as a fetus you decided to pop out in good old Blighty. We are all thankful for your choice.

He did good in a former life and this is his reward

robgmun · 3 Jun 2015 at 19:48

estebanrey said:
Off topic but how did you get married in 2012 when the first gay marriage in the UK wasn't carried out until March 2014?

I was wondering that, Civil partnership at best and wouldn't be surprised if this was treated differently

Tefal · 3 Jun 2015 at 19:59

estebanrey said:
So a gay Ugandan get granted asylum, works here for 10 years before being laid off. You'd be happy with him being sent his papers and told to get on a boat back to Africa for having the temerity to lose his job?

do you really think that's how its going to work? honestly you think its going to be be foreign claim a single benefit and bag your straight out the door?

i just want to find out if you really are an absolute moron or just playing one.

Tefal · 3 Jun 2015 at 20:02

robgmun said:
I was wondering that, Civil partnership at best and wouldn't be surprised if this was treated differently

and people wondered why they wanted marriage not a second thing.

dowie · 3 Jun 2015 at 20:16

dalehitchy1 said:
That law is a load of crap. If it was that easy why did my husband not have a right to family life? Our life couldn't go to India unless I wanted to go to jail. Another daily mail article has probably influenced your mind to think its that easy.

You're confusing two rather different issues - your civil partner/husband not being able to come and live in the UK in the first place because you're poor and people being convicted of criminal offences not being able to be deported when they are able to successfully argue that they've got a right to a family life.

Your case has nothing to do with deportation.

itchy · 3 Jun 2015 at 20:23

Don't even want to dip my toe in this pond/thread! :eek:

Insta-ban for life if I did!

estebanrey · 3 Jun 2015 at 20:37

Tefal said:
do you really think that's how its going to work? honestly you think its going to be be foreign claim a single benefit and bag your straight out the door?

i just want to find out if you really are an absolute moron or just playing one.

How it will work isn't so much as it important as how it could be used.

It is very unlikely I will be murdered, that doesn't mean I don't want the law the legislate against it.

dowie · 3 Jun 2015 at 20:44

I'm still not seeing the issue...

serious criminals facing deportation orders no longer have the 'family life' loophole, people who came here ostensibly to work and then didn't... well they've got no reason to be here any more... and people who've overstayed tourist and student visas - well they can go back too

I'm not seeing anything about us going back on our commitments to refugees under this legislation and people can still apply for citizenship after 5 years of living here. This law affects non citizens who've committed crimes, broken immigration rules or simply ended up not working while on a working visa etc..

estebanrey · 3 Jun 2015 at 21:11

dowie said:
I'm still not seeing the issue...

serious criminals facing deportation orders no longer have the 'family life' loophole, people who came here ostensibly to work and then didn't... well they've got no reason to be here any more... and people who've overstayed tourist and student visas - well they can go back too

I'm not seeing anything about us going back on our commitments to refugees under this legislation and people can still apply for citizenship after 5 years of living here. This law affects non citizens who've committed crimes, broken immigration rules or simply ended up not working while on a working visa etc..

Which doesn't make them immune....

"British nationality is a privilege and the Home Secretary has the ability to remove it from dual nationals when she believes it to be in the public good.”

Home Office 2010

So in theory a Home Secretary could decide that the any unemployed people who weren't born here aren't for the public good (which many posts here are basically saying they aren't), remove their citizenship then deport them without recourse.

Whilst I agree the three types of people uyou mentioned are what it is "aimed" at, but some of the worse things are brought in with good intentions.

dowie · 3 Jun 2015 at 21:59

that has nothing to do with the new law though, she's already got the power to remove citizenship... this can happen to some specific individuals it isn't some process that happen en mass to people fitting X criteria

it is very rarely used and certainly has nothing to do with someone not being able to find work - rather people who decide they want to go overseas and join terror groups

estebanrey · 3 Jun 2015 at 22:32

dowie said:
that has nothing to do with the new law though, she's already got the power to remove citizenship... this can happen to some specific individuals it isn't some process that happen en mass to people fitting X criteria

I know it has nothing to do with this new law, I was referring to your statement that foreign nationals can 'apply for citizenship after 5 years of living here'. I inferred from that you were saying that, for example, if say an Indian doctor comes here to work in the NHS. He can claim British Citizenship after 5 years and thus becomes immune from deportation if a few years later he gets made redundant.

Hence, your implication it is designed for people who are unemployed and overstay their work visas.

My point is simply being able to claim British Citizenship is ultimately irrelevant given the Home Secretary can remove it for the vague and low bar of "not being in the public good".

dowie said:
it is very rarely used and certainly has nothing to do with someone not being able to find work - rather people who decide they want to go overseas and join terror groups

How frequently it is used is irrelevant. As my I said earlier, murders are rare but we still have laws against protecting us it.

Tefal · 4 Jun 2015 at 06:40

estebanrey said:
So in theory a Home Secretary could decide that the any unemployed people who weren't born here aren't for the public good (which many posts here are basically saying they aren't), remove their citizenship then deport them without recourse.

unless they just gave up their other citizen ship.

then she couldn't as they wouldn't be dual citizen ship, and she cant make them stateless.

Tefal · 4 Jun 2015 at 06:40

this is a fantastic thread about just how far from reality you can push an idea to argue against it though.

Metallifux · 4 Jun 2015 at 08:17

estebanrey said:
I'm posted the OP, but thanks for telling me what my own thread is about

In my quote in the OP, the bit in bold is what this thread is about.

So a gay Ugandan get granted asylum, works here for 10 years before being laid off. You'd be happy with him being sent his papers and told to get on a boat back to Africa for having the temerity to lose his job?

As I said, it seems people are only seeing the benefit-seeking immigrant, you have a picture of some African or Asian rubbing his hands and telling all his friend how he's going to come to England to live off our welfare state whilst cackling.

What about people who weren't born here, but come over, set up a business or work for a couple of decades and then fall on hard times?

Isn't someone granted asylum given leave to stay indefinitely?

Metallifux · 4 Jun 2015 at 08:21

dalehitchy1 said:
That law is a load of crap. If it was that easy why did my husband not have a right to family life? Our life couldn't go to India unless I wanted to go to jail. Another daily mail article has probably influenced your mind to think its that easy.

Either that or anyone can waltz in to the UK unless they are married to a uk citezen.

You haven't stated so but do you and your partner have adopted children? I.e. a family?

estebanrey · 4 Jun 2015 at 09:25

Metallifux said:
Isn't someone granted asylum given leave to stay indefinitely?

You mean like Abu Qatada was?

Bensons · 4 Jun 2015 at 09:26

Anything that costs me less to keep these people alive is fine by me.

Robinhood · 4 Jun 2015 at 09:28

estebanrey said:
Which doesn't make them immune....

So in theory a Home Secretary could decide that the any unemployed people who weren't born here aren't for the public good (which many posts here are basically saying they aren't), remove their citizenship then deport them without recourse.

Whilst I agree the three types of people uyou mentioned are what it is "aimed" at, but some of the worse things are brought in with good intentions.

Not sure where you getting the idea that being born in the UK makes you safe from being stripped of citizenship.This another tool in the box of dirty tricks to avoid public extradition fights in the courts(where you need proof).You take an individual's citizenship and just hand them over to the Americans win-win.

They been doing for sometime with "British terror suspects"

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...itizenship-then-killed-by-drones-8513858.html

Metallifux · 4 Jun 2015 at 09:31

estebanrey said:
You mean like Abu Qatada was?

Oh poor choice of example methinks. If he had kept his trap shut and got on with his life he'd still be here.