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What's happening to the market!

It does seem to me that in the last year or so AMD hedged everything on a die shrink that never came.

AMD need cards that can beat a 980 for £300 and beat 970 for £200 and support dx12 and use less power.

Cos AMD have dominated the cheaper midrange market for 2 years now, the 280 cards are better value than the 960 but they don't sell, the 7800 cards were better than the 660 but didn't sell. AMD just can't sell even when they have a winning product. So what hope now.

The vibes are not good from AMD right now and they can only blame themselves, and for all our sakes we need someone to keep Nvidia in check.
 
Original Titan is outperformed by 780ti, which is outperformed by 970, at 1080p or VRAM usage <3.5GB. But this question is the right one to ask!

I'm also in the same boat, I intended to buy an MSI Gaming 970, but now I'm waiting for AMD's new cards to release to see what they are like and what affect they'd have on the market too. Worst case scenario, they are worse than what Nvidia currently has to offer (which would make the R9 3XX series a step backwards) and Nvidia prices don't change. In which case you have nothing to lose, just time waiting. Unless Nvidia turn into big jerks and increase the prices of their cards, but they wouldn't do that now would they?

970 is hands down price-to-performance King when it comes to Nvidia right now. The 980 is >33% more cost for a measly ~15% more performance. Even so, I'm still looking at potentially buying a 980 myself. Though with the Ti just £100 away for significant performance gain, I'm even just tempted to go for that instead. Hopefully the prices will settle down and we'll see better price drops from Nvidia, since 980s can still cost upwards of £500 (terrible value for money with the 980ti around).

So if AMD is terrible, I'm going for a 970 which is still a very capable card and will hold me over on 1080p till Pascal. By which time I'll have more money to spend on a more flagship card. Only concern is games that push above the 3.5GB VRAM as performance tanks, which is one reason I'm considering a 980. But not with current prices.

Jamielicious said:
The vibes are not good from AMD right now and they can only blame themselves, and for all our sakes we need someone to keep Nvidia in check.
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Amen to that. No competition and it's game over for consumers. Nvidia will have free reign to charge whatever they like on their hardware.
 
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Dave2150 said:
This. It could pay to wait for June 16th, when AMD release their 300 series lineup. It may affect the prices quite a lot, if AMD are aggressive with their pricing.
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I dont think you will see a price change immediately from nvidia. They made a packet on the 970. Thing is they are in an excellent position they have current sales figures for their mainstream cards stretching back to last year and if they see a dip to coincide with the AMD release that is significant enough then they may drop the price a little and quosh AMD further.

Doesnt matter how good the AMD card will be over the nvidia ones unless it actually smashes the 970/980/980ti to pieces they are too far behind. Give it six months time and everyone will be looking at nvidias next card even the 980ti users with longing eyes. They need a killer card like the 970 was that sold in droves despite the VRAM circus and I dont think the 3xx series has it. It would have to be something like the 295x2 was performance wise but cheaper than the 980ti.
 
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in the second hand market my choice would be a 980, some will say its not worth the extra aver a 970 but I disagree, ive used both and imo the 980 is a superior gpu easy
 
If you're not going to be upgrading your monitor any time soon, just get a good deal on a brand new (or used perhaps if bought from ocuk mm) 970 with a good cooler, and clock the bejesus out of it.

If you are going to upgrade your monitor soon to 1440p+, or perhaps a fast 120hz/144hz panel also, then it's much much more complicated! Especially if you factor in getting a monitor with gsync (NV only) or freesync (currently AMD only) which you absolutely should. That decision will tie you into Nvidia vs AMD unfortunately.
 
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970 it is then thanks chaps.
Unfortunately I can't get onto the MM as I don't have the post counts or the time served.
I'm not in the position to upgrade the monitor just yet so I'll be sensible haha
 
Get a used 290 or 290X for 130-150ish (non ref cooler preferrably Sapphire) and check back in 6-12 months for better performance and prices when/if you upgrade your monitor.
 
Manners14 said:
970 it is then thanks chaps.
Unfortunately I can't get onto the MM as I don't have the post counts or the time served.
I'm not in the position to upgrade the monitor just yet so I'll be sensible haha
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Might be a good idea to hold off. i expect in the very near future the 970's and possibly 980s will drop in price due to the 980ti's being released!
 
passey89 said:
The 980 has a little more power than a titan black so i would never spend £300 on an older card with no warranty thats weaker than a card that £30 more brand new.

980 all the way.
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All the prices he quoted were used prices.

I wouldn't spend any of the prices quoted for a used card in any of the brackets.....for not that much more, you can buy them all new, with free game, warranty, etc... Used GPU sellers are deluded.....or are they, if there are people stupid enough to buy used GPUs at 80% of brand new retail value?

With that said however:

Ashley Jordan said:
Might be a good idea to hold off. i expect in the very near future the 970's and possibly 980s will drop in price due to the 980ti's being released!
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I am sure that when the 980 ti's are more plentiful supply and the early pre release retail price gouging is over, I am sure Ebay will be flooded with 980s 'with box and everything!' When supply starts to swamp demand, which it will, sellers will have to go lower than 80% of full retail value if they want their old cards to shift....and maybe those who are trying to sell like a fiver or tenner off full price, might even be forced to match full retail price.
 
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Even with AMD around, NVIDIA are charging whatever they like for GPUs simply because they sell.

Perhaps they will lower prices if it turns out the 3xx series are monster cards, but I can't imagine NVIDIA are too concerned to be honest and I doubt prices will drop that much.
 
I actually saw a 780ti go for 230 this morning. Not bad, but still kinda weak when you consider new 970s are close to 250.

I think going with the 970 was definitely the right choice for 1080p.
 
970 won't drop much if at all. It's v well priced already and dominates in that price segment. 980 has dropped a little bit already but not much.

I think the 980 has been rendered a bit redundant now with the 980Ti release. *Most* 980's are still pushing £500. You'd have to be mad not to spend £50 more to get the Ti now. I genuinely thought the Ti was going to launch at £650+, which would have made the 980 more sensible for some.
 
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Poneros said:
I actually saw a 780ti go for 230 this morning. Not bad, but still kinda weak when you consider new 970s are close to 250.

I think going with the 970 was definitely the right choice for 1080p.
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Anyone who pays that kind of money for a used 780ti, is either stupid, or some kid who who has scraped together all the pocket money he can muster, and really can't afford a few pennies more to get a much much better deal on a brand new card.
 
Nocky24 said:
How dare you accuse me of such a thing :eek: :D

Seriously though, my rep on there is immaculate.
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Sorry. :) Not saying everyone but sometimes its difficult to spot when you have an eye on the prize. Some of the scammers were too. They buy old ebay accounts with a good rep depending on price and at first glance it appears they have 100% 600+ positives but when you start looking closer you can tell its fake as the account got its good rep from say selling baby clothes then all of a sudden after a bit of a break its selling GPU's costing £800 or whatever.

Caught a few people out on here.
 
970 seems the sensible choice as they are very well priced now. Some are ex reviewer cards with 3year warranty's for that price on the bay so im happy going down that route
 
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