Indeed, soft touches like LordSplodge in charge are the reason why the UK is in this mess. And he really is doing mental gymnastics to back his reasoning up. He seems to think the UK resources are infinite and that we can support the whole population of Africa if the suddenly decided they want to come here.
Theresa May Wants To Deport All Foreign Benefit Claimants!
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Indeed, soft touches like LordSplodge in charge are the reason why the UK is in this mess. And he really is doing mental gymnastics to back his reasoning up. He seems to think the UK resources are infinite and that we can support the whole population of Africa if the suddenly decided they want to come here.
Oh you mean the guy who is walking around free after being found not guilty by a Jordan court?
Pretty smart move by him.
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I can understand the right wing arguments for kicking everyone out and having a beautiful white skin headed population of Brits, yes. Maybe we'll all be born wearing Doc Martins one day. I don't agree with them, but I get the point of what's being said.
What I will never agree and truly comprehend is the desire to actually have that. This thread is full of the same old platitudes being expressed by both sides. To be honest, neither side will ever see eye to eye anyway.
Previous generations can suck a ****. We can't live in the past. Previous generations truly strived for freedom, and most of the people who were striving probably didn't do so out of choice.
I am not going to hug ISIS, of course. But, there are billions of people on this planet substantially less fortunate than we are, and we are well within our means to help them out, whether it involves taxing the **** out of us or expanding the welfare state or whatever, we should be caring for as many people as we possibly can.
Physically, mentally, financially, no we aren't all equal. We all have an equal right to resources and to live. That is indisputable.
Yes, I'm an idealist. Why should I not aim for the ideal? Even if I have to potentially accept less than ideal, at least we can make it our aim.
well he is, he's the same as any other british citizen at that point - these laws have nothing to do with him then, ditch the indian citizenship and keep the british citizenship and he is one of us
on the other hand if someone comes here to work on a work visa, loses their job and doesn't have another to go to then what use are they to us, they're not a citizen of this country, they're here on the assumption that they've got valuable skills to offer etc.. if that doesn't work out then there is no point in them being there. And in reality that isn't likely to be the case for a doctor, there is plenty of locum work available for anyone qualified as a GP for example and a likely shortage of GPs for the foreseeable future.
still not seeing the issue
Well that applies to anyone with dual nationality whether they're born elsewhere or here and is rather irrelevant... if it is such a pressing risk then you ditch the other citizenship and chose to just be british, problem solved. In the real world it is used against terror suspect not unemployed people.
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If you try to go to Australia and you can't look after yourself then you get sent back. Not harsh but a sound method. Lots of people here have crossed 5-6 countries minimum just to get here for the benefits that are given out. If they were in such dire need why cross multiple countries, why not go to the closest country to you and settle there. Reason...benefits money given out.
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Wow just wow, I can't come up with a response to that, you do know communism doesn't work though right?
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You mean as we are now communism doesn't work, yes. I'm sure there are many things that people strive for that are unrealistic or impossible, but that certainly doesn't mean that you shouldn't bother trying.
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We don't have the means, that's pretty obvious.
Also why is everyone entitled to resources and to live? Who decided this entitlement over the years of mankind's existence?
It isn't and should never be the responsibility of a country to bail out and support the inhabitants of another country.
Does it bother me that millions around the world die from disease, malnutrition, war? No, people die, animals die, we all die.
We are a small nation, with little world power yet we are a haven for those wanting a life on benefits, they're a cancer and as we all know, cancer should be removed.
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For a third time, in the real world I probably won't be murdered doesn't want protections in place against it.
This is what you're missing, how you think it will be used or how it's mainly used now isn't the point, laws should have stipulations that prevent them from being misused. It is never a good idea to give the State powers that could be used immorally on a trust basis they won't.
Besides, the terror suspect can be deported under the criminal aspect of this new law which I'm not challenging. You do't need a 'also we can kick out poor people' stipulation to deal with them.
I also don't see why it's needed to deal with people overstaying work visas/foreign students when they're already changing the law making it harder to claim benefits without paying in first. If they aren't working and aren't getting benefits why would they want to stay anyway so why do you need to write a new law that specifically removes one of their current human rights so you can remove them?
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Seems to me what you want is Star Trek.
Scrap all benefits with the exception of pensions and disability.
Anyone who texts in to complain gets thrown into the fighting pits and let god sort em out.
As an aside I did have an idea that all non pension and disabled leeches could be put to work cycling electricity generators which would also help with our green energy footprint and cut down on fat council chavs filling their faces with fags and maccyds
Anyone who texts in to complain gets thrown into the fighting pits and let god sort em out.
As an aside I did have an idea that all non pension and disabled leeches could be put to work cycling electricity generators which would also help with our green energy footprint and cut down on fat council chavs filling their faces with fags and maccyds
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The problem with people like you is that you think you're well within your rights to take other peoples money, taxation is for essential services, anything else should be organised by charities. You're well within your rights to donate as much of your wage as you want to people in other countries, but forcibly taking other peoples money to do that is basically theft through taxation
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