Universities are Free again in Germany
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Yep. The problem with our country though, is our politicians don't care about our country in 5 years time, they care about their own pockets now.
My mentor at University was German. He said it was free when he did his Degree/Masters/PhD and whenever anyone asked him what he did, he felt obliged to give them his time and to tell them in detail what it is he does as it was the tax payer who paid for his tuition. I wonder how many people feel (or would feel) the same way in this country?
I would love for University to be free in this country but I doubt it's sustainable.
I would love for University to be free in this country but I doubt it's sustainable.
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The entire logic behind this policy in Germany is exactly that it is sustainable. The current system in the UK, as seen in all of the media stories and policy evaluations, is unsustainable and has been since Labour introduced fees in the first place.
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Except that's nonsense. Productivity is a measure of effort, not intelligence.
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That's nonsense. Productivity is a combination of effort and intelligence, and intelligence reduces the need for effort (through technology).
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That's nonsense. Productivity is a combination of effort and intelligence, and intelligence reduces the need for effort (through technology).
A combination yes, not intelligence on it's own.
Not what he said, productivity and education are indeed correlated.
She does have a scholarship but they take into account their age, parents earnings, household size, etc. For an average middle class family etc you would actually be shocked tbh I laughed at the idea at first till you plug the numbers in. Going from memory, without the scholarship our contribution would have been 17k per annum. But that includes food and lodging etc and "pocket money". So that's give or take 11 grand a year pretty much all in. And we didn't have to contribute that much at the end of the day. I think you'd be struggling to find good safe accommodation in many British cities, transport and food money etc for that much these days + tuition etc.
Do as many people as a percentage of the population in Germany go to university? Doesn't Germany have a really big manufacturing industry and thus probably has a lot more apprenticeships/people not going to university. A lot of people who have finished their A-Levels here go to university 'just because' or because they want 3 more years of not having to grow up.
i don't think the uk people really look to the future either.
it works in germany because its germany - they have a different way of thinking from the ground up.
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good god man, the germans are being sensible again!?
education is the cornerstone of what we are pleased to call a civilised society. reference: take two people, one with a phd, another with 1gcse, insult them continuously see which one smacks you in the face first.
education is the cornerstone of what we are pleased to call a civilised society. reference: take two people, one with a phd, another with 1gcse, insult them continuously see which one smacks you in the face first.
We have higher education where people aren't held back by finances
I never got this argument with some people. 'POOR PEOPLE CAN'T GO UNI'
You pay nothing until after you finish university. All you have to pay for is living costs. Which are the same if Uni is free or not.
Even once you finish, the repayments are tiny. Majority of people will never even pay it back. Most likely women, who go on to have families. Not working? Well you don't pay it back. Repayments a month on someone earning around £25k are about £50 a month, according to a friend of mine. Hardly a burden.
Glad some people like yourself understand this..
I find people who have a higher education can be worse when argued with. They sit up there on their high horse claiming how much more they know, how better they are, etc.
When proved wrong, or simply disagreed with, all hell breaks loose. Often resulting to 'you know nothing' or 'what do you know'
It's strikingly similar to a parent when arguing with a non-parent... 'You don't have children so what do you know'
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It works this way in Scotland too... at least if you're from the EU but, importantly, are not English or Welsh.
Scottish tuition fees for Scottish students are paid for by Student Awards Agency for Scotland (SAAS). However, under EU regulation, it's illegal to discriminate against nationals from other EU countries, so the SAAS also has to cough up for the fees of students from the continent who have accepted a place at a Scottish university.
Bizarrely, though, this doesn't extend to residents of England or Wales. I'd like to see someone challenge this in court, as I don't see how it's not discriminatory.
Funnily enough, Northern Irish students can get around this by exploiting a loophole. Normally they're lumped as fee-paying students along with the English and Welsh. However, all Northern Irish citizens are entitled to request an Irish passport (as part of the Belfast Treaty)... which makes them exempt from fees. There have been many cases where Northern Irish students were applying for Irish passports simply to avoid the fees
Loophole closed afaik, now you need to have an ROI posting address, not just the passport.
Agreed, I've never seen the issue with tuition fees especially as you don't even have to pay it back if you don't earn over a certain threshold.
It's because Germany is rolling in cash from taxation, the benefit that it gets from being the main beneficiary of the Euro monetary union that screws over southern Europe economies like Greece and Spain.
You answered your own question, Britain tends to kick out non-EU foreign students after graduation so they have no ability to contribute to the economy
Universities in Germany are not free.
Whether education is funded completely socially or a mix of socially and privately via grants and loans, the native population are paying for it. It isn't 'free' just because the state pays the bills. The reality is that in the UK we invest a greater proportion of our national income in education than Germany, we have a higher rate of graduation from university and tertiary vocational training than Germany, and we have the top universities that Germany envies.
Whether education is funded completely socially or a mix of socially and privately via grants and loans, the native population are paying for it. It isn't 'free' just because the state pays the bills. The reality is that in the UK we invest a greater proportion of our national income in education than Germany, we have a higher rate of graduation from university and tertiary vocational training than Germany, and we have the top universities that Germany envies.
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i didnt say the academic wouldn't react, of course not, but "what do you know" is better than a busted lip
that said, some academics seem to be devious sorts....