Well yes, because Nurseries, as fundamentally important they are for early development, are not about formal learning.
free 15 hours childcare - can a nursery restrict to afternoons only?
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Well yes, because Nurseries, as fundamentally important they are for early development, are not about formal learning.
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Ratios are actually :
1 - 3 for under 2's
1 - 4 for 2 - 3's
1 - 8 for 3 - 5's
So you can actually run at a loss for the very young ones which are subsidised by the profit in the older ones, as even though staff is the main expense, by a huge margin, there are obviously other overheads in running the business. Then there is the equipment, jeez, stick 'childcare' in the name of something and the price is justdouble it if it's for special educational needs.
Also the funding amount (which is only universal from 3 y/os) is different per county as it's local councils that hand it out, and it's different from Nurseries in schools to PVIs (Private, voluntary, independent) Lincolnshire pays £3.52 to PVIs, and over £5 to Schools, this was cut from £3.55 a few years ago. Heh, they recently had a review to see if it was enough to meet settings needs, didn't ask a single setting and concluded it was
Your not allowed to charge any extra for the free funded hours, so it can be a income cut from the normal hourly rate, hence the increase to 30 hrs free is causing some concern. So that's an interesting way Hincapie's Nursery does it, asking for a voluntary contribution
Combine that with the push to get all settings to have a graduate leading the place, without generally being able to offer a decent enough wage to retain them and it all adds up to why childcare is so expensive, even though it's a fairly low paid sector of employment.
Nannying isn't. Many charge £10-13 per hour net. So after income tax, NI and employers NI. It's equivalent to a salary of £31K a year. Not shabby at all.
Your not allowed to charge any extra for the free funded hours, so it can be a income cut from the normal hourly rate, hence the increase to 30 hrs free is causing some concern. So that's an interesting way Hincapie's Nursery does it, asking for a voluntary contribution
This is how my child's nursery (starting in September) is trying to get around the funding. The letters we have received are actually quite blunt, one even saying we would be fined if we didn't pay the voluntary (LOL) donation. I've spoken to the council and as you've said, they can do no such thing.
Interestingly, using the funding rate I found on the council website, assuming a parent pays the full voluntary fee, the nursery will actually get more money than if the child were fully funded by the parent; cheeky gits.
Yea, but a Nanny/Childminder doesn't have the overheads of a Nursery operating out of building.
Don't get me wrong, there's still money to be made in Childcare, as there should be in every business, but it's not as much as the high fees charged might lead people to believe.
Oh and Childminders around here charge around £6 - £7 / hr, and I get parents complaining about the Fees I set at one Nursery as being too expensive, and they are £3.30 an hour!
I'm just working on next years financial plan atm, and it's looking like they are going to have to rise somewhat, which is going to be a double blow to some people since the Tories are aiming at cutting back on some child tax credits.
Not round my way. £100/day gross (10 hour day) when we were looking at it. Still somewhat better than minimum wage, but not a great income.
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15 Hours free is universal for 3 - 4 y/os
It is slowly being introduced for 2 y/o's, currently for the less well off, it's currently at about 30-40% coverage iirc, but I expect it will become universal as well.
Funny how on one hand the Tories moan about parents not engaging with their kids and "need to get one the floor with them more" and then are doing everything in their power to ensure and facilitate them seeing as little of one another as possible.
Ensuring poor kids attend some pre-school is a good thing - really benefits their development more than staying at home 24/7.
With our eldest, at one stage,we felt he was benefiting enough from nursery that we put him in to do more than we needed for work cover. When that benefit seemed to reverse, we reduced his hours again.
30 hours is, I would agree, a little more than ideal, however.
As with most jobs I guess it can vary quite widely on location.
Partner has done nannying on and off for a few years; no experience out of college and she was on 11 net an hour (more than me, sigh
)To be fair, all the research has shown how important a childs development is in those first few years, hence a lot of money and development has been funneled into EYE.
And imo no matter how loving, nurturing and caring a parent is (and giving a loving, nuturing family life is extremely important) on a developmental level it doesn't generally compare with the structured, evidence led formal develpment that a good Nursery can provide.
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[FnG]magnolia;28157723 said:
How so?
Nothing in life is free but you pay your contributions regardless of how many kids you have so you aren't directly pulling money out of your pocket to pay anymore than me trying to argue (and its not an argument I would make) that I have contributed towards your child care. Its a slippery slope to an ever increasing belief in self entitlement
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They can do what they like. Yes.
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Ratios are actually :
1 - 3 for under 2's
1 - 4 for 2 - 3's
1 - 8 for 3 - 5's
So you can actually run at a loss for the very young ones which are subsidised by the profit in the older ones, as even though staff is the main expense, by a huge margin, there are obviously other overheads in running the business. Then there is the equipment, jeez, stick 'childcare' in the name of something and the price is just
A higher ratio of 3-4 year olds attending nursery (the whole point of the scheme) will lessen the impact of the "subsidy" for he children under 3 on the nursery. The number of 1-2 year olds will remain quite fixed and provided there is space for the extra children I cannot see how this is not beneficial a nursery.