New law!! for music cd/dvd owned, you're no longer allowed to copy songs for private use

Cosimo · 20 Jun 2015 at 09:07

Mynight said:
O I better stop then .

No need as that 6am knock on the door won't be coming so you're quite safe.

OhEsEcks · 20 Jun 2015 at 09:08

Woden said:
There should be HUGE fines for Sony, for giving us CD and DVD writers for home use.

Not to mention the whole rootkit episode. Still bitter about that.

Terminal_Boy · 20 Jun 2015 at 09:11

Has anyone in the UK ever been prosecuted for copying music that they legally obtained onto another format for personal use?

I suspect the answer is no.

Dis86 · 20 Jun 2015 at 09:15

Terminal_Boy said:
Has anyone in the UK ever been prosecuted for copying music that they legally obtained onto another format for personal use?

I suspect the answer is no.

Possibly not. The fact that the music industry is pushing with this though shows what they really think of the consumer

Amp34 · 20 Jun 2015 at 09:20

I think that question should be "has anyone in the UK ever been prosecuted for copying music for non commercial use".

I'm sure there have been prosecutions for industrial copying of music to sell but I'd be very surprised if anyone has ever been prosecuted for downloading or copying music for their own personal use, either from torrents/Usenet or from their own physical media.

eatcustard · 20 Jun 2015 at 09:22

How many of us will listen to the ruling and how many of us will carry on as before....

Freakbro · 20 Jun 2015 at 09:22

Mynight said:
O I better stop then .

doofer said:
I'll just risk it and face the music if I get caught.

Xordium · 20 Jun 2015 at 09:22

Dis86 said:
Possibly not. The fact that the music industry is pushing with this though shows what they really think of the consumer

Not really it shows that they want to protect their interests and possibly the interests of their members. It's natural for people to do so. Meanwhile in the real-world most people don't use their harddrives solely for music and talented performers make good money actually performing music rather than managing a popular perception of talent.

Freakbro · 20 Jun 2015 at 09:23

Xordium said:
and talented performers make good money actually performing music rather than managing a popular perception of talent.

It's funny how that's changed in the last 30 years, it used to be you sold enough albums to afford to go on to tour, now you go on tour to be able to afford to print your albums

Dis86 · 20 Jun 2015 at 09:24

Xordium said:
Not really it shows that they want to protect their interests and possibly the interests of their members. It's natural for people to do so. Meanwhile in the real-world most people don't use their harddrives solely for music and talented performers make good money actually performing music rather than managing a popular perception of talent.

Yeah but they're doing it by alienating and to be honest, insulting the very people who made their members what they are.

OhEsEcks · 20 Jun 2015 at 09:28

Freakbro said:
It's funny how that's changed in the last 30 years, it used to be you sold enough albums to afford to go on to tour, now you go on tour to be able to afford to print your albums

Actually, the record company gives you a loan (advance) to, record, produce, hire instruments, hire musicians, hire producers, hire studio time, rent somewhere to stay while making the album, print your albums artwork, press the album to various formats, which you sell to pay back the record company advance. Most money for artists is made through touring. Most still end up in debt. Most get by on royalties. Or, if they're ****ed by the company / label they're signed to, don't get their royalties and die penniless. Despite selling millions.

thenewoc · 20 Jun 2015 at 09:38

Wonder how that affects cloud services that match your library to theirs and allows you to play their copy of your tracks.

Until the legislation is rewritten I take it space / format shifting is illegal until a level of tax is agreed and imposed on blank media then.

Seems rather draconian since not every hard drive is bought to copy music onto.

Jono8 · 20 Jun 2015 at 09:43

What a stupid law. I still buy CD's but sometimes I want the music in mp3 for my phone/car.

Also, a tax on blankmedia including hard drives? Just what??

Why do any of them need any more money? :confused:

If I cant buy the CD versions of music and rip them to mp3's anymore I simply won't bother buying music anymore. I might as well just uses Youtube to mp3 converters from now on as that will give me the same quality : /

This seems like a total own goal and will make CD sales dry up even more surely?

trickycurve · 20 Jun 2015 at 09:57

There's literally no sensible--and possibly lawful--way to regulate this. How could anyone know if I'm ripping a DVD to put on my tablet, or copying some mp3s onto my phone?

Christmas themed thank · 20 Jun 2015 at 09:58

It's not a new law, they're not allowing the new law to be passed...

Glanza · 20 Jun 2015 at 10:01

Oh like this will stop people :rolleyes:

OhEsEcks · 20 Jun 2015 at 10:02

trickycurve said:
There's literally no sensible--and possibly lawful--way to regulate this. How could anyone know if I'm ripping a DVD to put on my tablet, or copying some mp3s onto my phone?

They can't, but they can implement DRM. Including rootkits. Which Sony did back in (might have been around) the late 90s / early 2000s.

Just googled before sending.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootkit_scandal

In August 2000, statements by Sony Pictures Entertainment US senior VP Steve Heckler foreshadowed the events of late 2005. Heckler told attendees at the Americas Conference on Information Systems "The industry will take whatever steps it needs to protect itself and protect its revenue streams... It will not lose that revenue stream, no matter what... Sony is going to take aggressive steps to stop this. We will develop technology that transcends the individual user. We will firewall Napster at source - we will block it at your cable company. We will block it at your phone company. We will block it at your ISP. We will firewall it at your PC... These strategies are being aggressively pursued because there is simply too much at stake."[1]

Woden · 20 Jun 2015 at 10:11

How was he not brought up on charges? That would be a pre-meditated crime. In the UK at least, accessing someone's computer without their knowledge is illegal.

OhEsEcks · 20 Jun 2015 at 10:16

Woden said:
How was he not brought up on charges? That would be a pre-meditated crime. In the UK at least, accessing someone's computer without their knowledge is illegal.

Because at the time Sony's music division was all;

and lobbying exists.

It's not the only thing they got up to: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG

Sony BMG was fined 10 million dollars after the New York Attorney General's office determined that they had been practicing payola mostly in the form of direct payments to radio stations and bribes to disc jockeys to promote various artists including Franz Ferdinand, Audioslave, and mainly Jessica Simpson.

Epic Records, one of their labels, was specifically cited for using fake contests in order to hide the fact that the gifts were going to disc jockeys rather than listeners.[2]

TheVoice · 20 Jun 2015 at 10:16

Jono8 said:
This seems like a total own goal and will make CD sales dry up even more surely?

Why would it make any meaningful difference? People were copying CDs, DVDs etc long before the revised legislation and they'll continue doing so now it's set to be reversed.

New law!! for music cd/dvd owned, you're no longer allowed to copy songs for private use

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