New law!! for music cd/dvd owned, you're no longer allowed to copy songs for private use

NickK said:
Hmm original licence was part of a contract - you entered into with the understanding of the original agreement. If subject to laws of the country now nullify that - nice way to screw people.
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There is no license or contract with the musician/label when you buy music on a CD, you're only subject to statutory law as to what you can do with it.
 
Jokester said:
Skill doesn't really come into though to be honest. It's a popularity game. A friend of mines son has a band, tours the UK and states and it pays the bills gives him a living. His last album was mentioned last year as being one of the top 10 Scottish albums of the year.

spotify and YouTube? I laughed when I heard how much he gets paid by them.

Only the very successful make even £100,000s a year out of it.
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Maybe that is indicative of his skill then. Most reasonable music tuition starts at £25 per hour outside of London. Hardly a bad wage is it. Maybe it's not just about being a musician - maybe it's about what you do with your skills.

Like I said I know quite a few musicians - all of whom are doing very well for themselves. Not 100k, bar one, but who else is? She is the least talented by far but then she is also the most popular. So yes luck has a place as does popularity but that is the same for every career path I've seen.

There is no god given right to earn massive sums doing a job. But you can easily earn a reasonable wage if you have talent and skill but by using them in obvious ways. If you expect to make a lot playing in a "band" then you are somewhat naive. But if you expect to make a good living offering tuition and doing studio work etc then that is quite achievable. You also need to consider what genres you play.
 
Xordium said:
Maybe that is indicative of his skill then. Most reasonable music tuition starts at £25 per hour outside of London. Hardly a bad wage is it. Maybe it's not just about being a musician - maybe it's about what you do with your skills.

Like I said I know quite a few musicians - all of whom are doing very well for themselves. Not 100k, bar one, but who else is? She is the least talented by far but then she is also the most popular. So yes luck has a place as does popularity but that is the same for every career path I've seen.

There is no god given right to earn massive sums doing a job. But you can easily earn a reasonable wage if you have talent and skill but by using them in obvious ways. If you expect to make a lot playing in a "band" then you are somewhat naive. But if you expect to make a good living offering tuition and doing studio work etc then that is quite achievable. You also need to consider what genres you play.
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But then you're talking about musicians having to supplement their income by doing teaching work which just reinforces my point that not all musicians are earning mega bucks that some people in this thread are suggesting so that we shouldn't feel any sorrow for them. Musicians struggle like most people to make ends meet, so it shouldn't give us reason to feel we can freely rip off their stuff.

Steve Albini oddly enough is producing my mates son's next album.
 
Jokester said:
Skill doesn't really come into though to be honest. It's a popularity game. A friend of mines son has a band, tours the UK and states and it pays the bills gives him a living. His last album was mentioned last year as being one of the top 10 Scottish albums of the year.

spotify and YouTube? I laughed when I heard how much he gets paid by them.

Only the very successful make even £100,000s a year out of it.
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Not mainly but it does play a part. Everything is contacts. Who's tooting for you is what makes things happen.

You could be the best in the world but if you don't have contacts and nobody is rooting for you. You aren't going anywhere.

Xordium said:
Maybe that is indicative of his skill then. Most reasonable music tuition starts at £25 per hour outside of London. Hardly a bad wage is it. Maybe it's not just about being a musician - maybe it's about what you do with your skills.

Like I said I know quite a few musicians - all of whom are doing very well for themselves. Not 100k, bar one, but who else is? She is the least talented by far but then she is also the most popular. So yes luck has a place as does popularity but that is the same for every career path I've seen.

There is no god given right to earn massive sums doing a job. But you can easily earn a reasonable wage if you have talent and skill but by using them in obvious ways. If you expect to make a lot playing in a "band" then you are somewhat naive. But if you expect to make a good living offering tuition and doing studio work etc then that is quite achievable. You also need to consider what genres you play.
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Isn't that the truth. Everything plays a part.
 
The thing is, most people didn't even know that it was illegal before. They didn't know when it stopped being illegal, and they won't know again now.

My dad bought a USB turntable a while ago so he could "rip" his old LPs. He had no idea that what he was doing was illegal.
 
FoxEye said:
I know it's a bit extreme, but I've been boycotting the entire music industry for ages :p If I want to listen to something, either pop the radio on, or find it on YouTube.

I don't pirate, and don't buy it either. There's hardly anything worth listening to anyhow :p

The music industry is too powerful, churns out far too much ****, and constantly fights against new technology and business models. They can all go fizzle, along with all the ***** "artists" they push. I've heard better music on the C64 then most of the trash released these days.

No swearing disguised or otherwise. Thank you.
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Well yea, thats true if you listen to crap like one direction and beyonce.

See taylor swift is pulling some music from apple because they dare to give users 3months free or something, greedy cow, cant she just dip into her millions to cover the 3 months? :rolleyes:
 
FeFiDoh said:
In the year 2015 blank cd sales must be soaring :/
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Actually quite surprisingly they do,I work at a well known Store in the UK and were forever filling up black CDs rack,Dvds not so much.

Guess a lot of people still use them for the car,Id prefer to use a USB stick instead..what a stupid law though as if they think people are really going to take any notice.
 
Burnsy2023 said:
This is really interesting. Nobody really rips CDs any more but adding a tax to flash memory and hard drives certainly will be a good earner for rights holders even if consumers don't actually use it for anything related to music. Adding disks to a SAN or server? Yep, taxes for music rights holders regardless of use.
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If potential piracy is paid at source, or pre paid, then surely that's a green light to procure *any* material from *any* source via *any* means?

Could be interesting, not that it will make any practical difference, but still it's intriguing to observe the legal weirdness :D

Also, what's a CD?
 
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Music industry is backwards, no wonder pirate bay is still going!

labels and artists need to get on board with streaming or get poor! You would think they would learn from the movie industry. Who the hell buys CDs anyway!

If they start taxing flash storage etc for the music industry I'm never paying for music ever again! Fire up the bay and cancel spotify
 
Johno please? said:
Well yea, thats true if you listen to crap like one direction and beyonce.

See taylor swift is pulling some music from apple because they dare to give users 3months free or something, greedy cow, cant she just dip into her millions to cover the 3 months? :rolleyes:
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Fair play to her IMO, she also pulled from spotify, fact is any big artist only gets a tiny cut from these services, much like compilation albums, often the artist gets essentially nothing compared to the label.

That's why I'm a fan of indie music, not in the common floppy haired sense, Indie music is any band or artist that isn't signed to a record label so they are independent (indie).
 
mattyfez said:
Fair play to her IMO, she also pulled from spotify, fact is any big artist only gets a tiny cut from these services, much like compilation albums, often the artist gets essentially nothing compared to the label.

That's why I'm a fan of indie music, not in the common floppy haired sense, Indie music is any band or artist that isn't signed to a record label so they are independent (indie).
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But then like ed sheeran (sp?) said about that, he gets sod all from album sales and the like, but makes insane money from touring, so it actually makes more sense to have the music available for next to nothing as you will get more peoople at your shows which is always where the money has been made in music.

I believe i read a while back that at the height of her fame madonna would get something like 20p income from an album sale.

The musicians probably actually benefit from piracy (the labels do not) as the more people who are exposed to their music the more likley they are to attend gigs etc.
 
Anyone who has kids knows the first thing you do when they have a new CD/DVD/Blueray is to copy it onto the PC. Guaranteed in 3-4 weeks they will come whining that their media doesn't play anymore (probably because they've been using like a frisbee).
 
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