non EU migrants to be sent home if not earning £35k after 6 years. hmm what about salary caps

itchy said:
Me and my partners salary combined is not over £35k a year. :rolleyes:

Its a crazy figure to be honest, £18k yes but £35k that a tonne of money a year, close to 3k a month! :confused:
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As already said, £35k isnt a tonne of money at all but obviously its all relative to what you earn
 
Moses said:
Or they have figures on the proportion of migrants who earn that much and made an informed decision?

Nah, you're probably right. They're just guessing. Yeah...
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It might also have something to do with tax credit thresholds. At £35k it's unlikely you're getting tax credits.
 
Moses said:
Or they have figures on the proportion of migrants who earn that much and made an informed decision?
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I missed that quote yesterday which is shame as I could have done with a good laugh!

On the report yesterday it said the Nursing sector does not have an exemption from this and they had been advised not to make one, which does seem a bit odd.
 
It's all part of Dave/George's ideology though.

Step 1: Make decisions that nobody with a sound idea of economics agrees with
Step 2: Wait for affected services to suffer, declare them unfit for purpose and a waste of the taxes paid by 'hard working families' (:rolleyes:)
Step 3: Sell off cheap because the idea of public ownership makes you feel physically ill
 
Freakbro said:
I missed that quote yesterday which is shame as I could have done with a good laugh!

On the report yesterday it said the Nursing sector does not have an exemption from this and they had been advised not to make one, which does seem a bit odd.
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Sometimes government's set things up so they are doomed to fail, thus ensuring they get reversed quickly or never see the light of day and the status quo is preserved. A good example of this was when cannabis was "decriminialised" in parts of London, they made sure it was done in such a way as to cause more problems than it actually solved.
 
bitslice said:
I think using salary is the wrong metric for this,
anyone with a useful level of training in an industry that benefits everyone should be allowed to stay.

Imams, whether they are earning £35K or not, should be kicked out on principle.
It's like importing Rabies because we don't have enough dogs frothing at the mouth.

There are a whole host of professions that are paid well but are not something we should be importing from outside of the EU, gender studies graduates for one.
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What about Rabbis? Or Catholic priests? Neither of them practice the official religion of the UK...
 
So people whos intention is to harm society ie murders rapist thieves they cant deport because it would breach their human rights yet the complete opposite people who are working hard providing a positive contribution to our society they want to get rid of....

Well that's politician logic for you.....find the easiest group to pray on to please the masses...
 
Xordium said:
The department that decides such things has strongly suggested and publically stated they have advised against an exception for nurses.



Yes, a fully qualified nurse who lives outside London and who remains a band 5 and doesn't add in any unsocial enhancements is on that much. So it's not really a representative picture at all. Although the truer picture is not more generous in all fairness. But what do expect when you have a politically apathetic group of practitioners who have a woeful union to represent them. Add in a healthy dose of gender bias and the publics' lack of care for their fellow man etc.



We used to until the current government came in. Not enough but far more. One of their first acts was to cut places even though every metric said we would need more nurses.

Note also a UK nurse returning to work largely has to self-fund. A foreign nurse is assisted in meeting the register's requirements.



Actually in London it will be with unsocial hours, a bit of overtime/agency, and London weighting it will be. Where I used to work (over 5 years ago) all the band 6's were pulling in between 40-55k per annum with agency and the band 5's were in the 30-40k mark. Naturally London weighting accounts for this.

It is not unreasonable to expect someone who is aware of such a ruling to plan for it I think. I think it is not unreasonable for someone to reach band 6 in two to three years if they are sufficiently motivated. That would then leave them on 30k before unsocial hours and agency work/overtime. Presumably overtime soon as the government wants agencies gone.



Yes they will.



They get more for working overtime as do most people. No they can't disappear off for 6 months without question don't be stupid. Agency pay in London is £25 for specialised practitioners. Now call me odd but I think £25 quid per hour for a post-graduate trained intensive care/ high dependency specialist to work through the night or of a weekend is not that bad when a solicitor will charge 100 per hour for checking whether your house is okay to buy with a load of caveats and no comeback. Now I know solicitors are all great and all but I kind of think I value the lives of my nearest and dearest a little bit more than 0.25 what I value my house or any other legal work ...

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As a side-note I will say I am not wholly against removing the foreign labour force for a variety of reasons. Firstly, with the exception of certain countries most practitioners from abroad are not good enough. Not in my experience. They may have a caring aptitude but they don't have the necessary skillset. This is especially noteable from certain areas.

I constantly see nurses being referred to as lovely. Well that is all fine and dandy - I've seen family members say the same - I've then seen the sub-standard care dished out by these lovely people.

I think it is ethically wrong to strip poorer countries of such a resource.

I also think the government is not doing it for such reasons though. I think David Cameron is on a personal crusade to destroy the NHS. I think there are plenty of other people who will quite happily go along with him. I also think running something into the ground so it needs privatising is a tactic we've seen before.

But you know what Labour are to blame too. They made every practitioner require higher education where they were taught sociology and political manifestos rather than education the potential leaders and letting everyone else learn to care. The nurses themselves have failed to take a stand once against the government despite being shafted time after time and their union has capitulated to every government it has discussed their situation with.

Moreover, you can apply for residency before this period is up.
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Very good post, I completely agree with everything you've said, although I don't think you should count having to do extra work as agency on top of your full time PAYE job to reach the salary figures you mention (mainly talking about your London paragraph).

My wife is a band 5 ITU nurse and takes home £24k basic (Hertfordshire) and I think it's an absolutely terrible amount of money for what she has to do at work and also for how the rubbish managers treat people at her work.
 
Caged said:
It's all part of Dave/George's ideology though.

Step 1: Make decisions that nobody with a sound idea of economics agrees with
Step 2: Wait for affected services to suffer, declare them unfit for purpose and a waste of the taxes paid by 'hard working families' (:rolleyes:)
Step 3: Sell off cheap because the idea of public ownership makes you feel physically ill
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Sometimes I think that's the only situation in which some of the choices make any sense.

Either that or gross incompetence.
 
I am all for some form of 'crackdown' but £35k is a ridiculous requirement. While I do earn more than that, only a handful of others I know do.
 
elmarko said:
Sometimes I think that's the only situation in which some of the choices make any sense.

Either that or gross incompetence.
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Or the biggest one, not on the list.
Try to appease the loud mouth idiotic public.

This parliament will be far more anti immigration after UKIPs results.
 
Amp34 said:
What about Rabbis? Or Catholic priests? Neither of them practice the official religion of the UK...
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I can't remember the last time I heard a news item about Judaism, or Catholicism for that matter. Equally I've never heard of a Jew do anything annoying and it's been a few years since any Priests were caught with their pants down.
Even their beliefs rarely cause issues with Western culture, kosher meat is a non issue and anti gay and anti abortion stances regularly get ignored.
Did you expect Fascist quasi religious ideologies to go unnoticed or something?
 
Lima said:
Very good post, I completely agree with everything you've said, although I don't think you should count having to do extra work as agency on top of your full time PAYE job to reach the salary figures you mention (mainly talking about your London paragraph).

My wife is a band 5 ITU nurse and takes home £24k basic (Hertfordshire) and I think it's an absolutely terrible amount of money for what she has to do at work and also for how the rubbish managers treat people at her work.
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I agree you shouldn't have to and by and large nurses pay should be increased but there are swathes of nurses who shouldn't be on the pay they are on - they are effectively functioning as health care assistants.

But at the end of the day if people know the rules when coming into the country and they are the smart people we are allegedly after then I think they should be able to calculate how much agency work they need to do. If they can't do the maths for that then they shouldn't be administering drugs!

The people who would suffer most for this are people who work on day assessment units without unsocial hours payments etc. However, they want unsocial hours payments to go. So immigrants would be fools to go there.

It's all a bit of a mess really. But I wanted to paint a balanced picture with that post it's not quite what people were making out. My overriding point though I think is that in my opinion Cameron wants to destroy the NHS and is on a personal crusade to do that.
 
Never mind the NHS. Who will run all the yummy Chinese and Indian restaurants???!!!

This will destroy Chinatown! Bye bye Curry Mile!

Right? Wont it?

I don't want damn Poles making my dim sum!!

Sky's falling in.
 
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