'Mini Ice age' UK - Scaremongering?

No offence meant, but a thread led by a Mirror link, supported by a Daily Mail, backed up by a The Sun link?
 
itchy said:
Should this then not counteract global warming, or am I missing something? :rolleyes:
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PhysicsMan94 said:
I suppose you think it makes more sense that hundreds of thousands of scientists are all part of some massive global conspiracy to make up an incredibly detailed theory in order to make some money. But, please, if you have solid evidence that debunks the Scientific Consensus on climate change then do go ahead and publish your findings in the journal Nature.
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The Earth's had cold and warm periods since long before our ancestors flopped themselves onto dry land. It would be the height of hubris to think that man is responsible for permanently changing such a complex climatic system in the 100 years we've been trashing the place.
 
Rimsy said:
If it means we start getting winters like we had in the 80's then happy days!
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This to be honest. When I was a kid in the 80's we had much more snow in the winters than we do now. Winters are noticeably milder than they once were.

Also as said the so called weather forecasters that produce these annual worst/hottest stories are complete and utter BS pushers. Why the papers still pay them is baffling.
 
I have never bought into this 'global warming' or 'climate change' or whatever they decide to change it to next to suit an argument.

As others have said, the planet's climate has been changing forever. Long before we were around. To think we are having some dramatic affect, imo, is a bit daft. Contributing? Probably.

No denying the climate is changing. But to say it is man made... come on.
 
itchy said:
Hundreds of thousands scientists! Really??? No 100,000+ scientists, link or pic? I don't even know if there is that many in the world. :rolleyes:

otherwise bull! :mad:
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Well there are thousands in the oil industry alone that agree anthropogenic climate change is happening.

As an example see here http://warrenbusinessconsulting.com/articles/results-global-warming-survey-2014/ (coincidentally the 56% of people that agree on that survey is higher than the general public, but then they are generally better educated than the general public on these matters).

There is also the 97% of scientists figure, although I think the study is flawed (looking at only the abstracts that explicitly say whether AGW is occuring or not, most scientific papers will present evidence but not necessarily conclusions of this nature, especially in the Abstract) is a good indication of what the scientific community actually think (hint - the majority of earth and planetary scientists agree about Climate change and its causes, even when it doesn't affect their funding or employment - in fact it potentially causes a loss of employment in the future).
 
Orionaut said:
Be careful what you wish for!

Back In the dark ages when I was young (Sixties) . Several foot of snow lying for days or even weeks was not uncommon. And yet life went on!

Nowadays 2" of snow and everything grinds to a halt!

(I refer to the winters a couple of years ago)

I really fear for what would result from a winter like 1963/4

(I really do believe it would be a national catastrophe with massive economic damage and tens of thousands dead. Just do a google on winter 1963 and think about how you would cope with a month below zero, feet of snow, and no electricity!)
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I'd put on my jacket and make sure I have some wood... Then continue with my life, like tens of millions of others do every winter. :p
 
lsg1r said:
I'm on east coast so we don't seem to get hit as hard where we are due to the coastal winds etc, you northern lot seem to get it a little more often :p

This is the bit that gets me, if places like Finland/Sweden/Norway etc can manage fine in cold weather without the roads falling to pieces and infrastructure just collapsing why can't we... we're meant to be a first world country lol. It's even funnier when you think in the olden days the roads were actually just fine after the cold weather, we've still got potholes from over a year ago when we had them cold frosty morning/nights. :o

As to it being another winter like 1963 - We all know that the odds of the quality news reporting from DM being anywhere near accurate means it will likely be no more than one a days worth of snow, just enough time for a snowman lol
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Funny, you talk to a Canadian and the they refuse as to how good the roads are over here because they aren't destroyed by frost and ice.

There are two seasons on the road in Canada, winter and construction... ;)
 
The reason some countries (Finland, Norway, Canada) manage better, is because they tend to have more reliable weather patterns. If we got heavy snow every year, we would build our infrastructure with that in mind. But as it happens, we don't get heavy snow on an annual basis, infact its a fairly infrequent event. This is also why snow tires are not common in winter here; its not worth the cost of getting them fitted every November for the sake of a few days of snow.
 
Terminal_Boy said:
The Earth's had cold and warm periods since long before our ancestors flopped themselves onto dry land. It would be the height of hubris to think that man is responsible for permanently changing such a complex climatic system in the 100 years we've been trashing the place.
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And you think we haven't got a handle on most of them? I presume you know significant amounts about Milankovitch cycles for example, as you must have done a lot of research to know that the scientific consensus is wrong?

=XDC=FluphyBunny said:
This to be honest. When I was a kid in the 80's we had much more snow in the winters than we do now. Winters are noticeably milder than they once were.

Also as said the so called weather forecasters that produce these annual worst/hottest stories are complete and utter BS pushers. Why the papers still pay them is baffling.
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They are tabloids that want to sell papers, look at proper newspapers instead.:p

Terminal_Boy said:
Is that 97% of all scientists or just the ones in climate related fields?
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It's not scientists, rather papers that declare either way in their abstract. As I said before, I think it's a flawed logic, but it does tie back to the general consensus of most earth and planetary scientists that I know (both in academia and industry).

You appear to have ignored the point that more than half the people that work in the oil industry (and if my peers are anything to go by, the majority of earth scientists in it) agree with those academics. ;)
 
Can't be bothered reading articles from a pair of crap papers but there is something seriously wrong with the weather at the moment. On Friday we only hit a high of 8.8 degrees and yesterday 9.5 degrees. It's the end of June and we should at least be in the mid teens by now, instead we have been having the heating on!! I am dreading the coming winter.
 
Amp34 said:
You appear to have ignored the point that more than half the people that work in the oil industry (and if my peers are anything to go by, the majority of earth scientists in it) agree with those academics. ;)
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I used to work in the oil and gas industry and half the people I met couldn't spell climate, let alone understand the science behind it.
 
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