Another muslim terror attack - France

MichaelAwkward · 26 Jun 2015 at 12:29

OldCoals said:
They are Muslim and they commit their acts in the name of Islam.

They aren't media labels as uncomfortable as that may be.

And when we bomb schools and hospitals and invade sovereign states, we are Westerners and commit our acts in the name of Western values.

So why should we be surprised that the reaction comes under the influence of the dominant culture in those places?

Schlong&Stable · 26 Jun 2015 at 12:32

ADT said:
The usual ignorant fools that dance at the sight of anti Muslim threads/posts are already here by the looks of things. Anyone can claim to be a part of a religion and that doesn't mean anything. It's your actions that define it. The above is not an action of a proper Muslim.

People need to learn the difference

No true Scotsman fallacy.

Which of the following 'prophets' slaughtered captives and waged wars?

1. Jesus
2. Mohammed

If your answer is 2, then surely you'll appreciate why I find it difficult to believe that this is not the conduct of a true Muslim.

Maverick2332 · 26 Jun 2015 at 12:33

MichaelAwkward said:
And when we bomb schools and hospitals and invade sovereign states, we are Westerners and commit our acts in the name of Western values.

What? Please find a reliable source where someone has bombed a hospital/school in the name of "Western values"

deuse · 26 Jun 2015 at 12:33

Mujja said:
If you want numbers, does this count?.

GWB's Christian Crusade

must stop laughing....

ReltonBFD · 26 Jun 2015 at 12:34

lemonade said:
some posters are quite clearly neo-nazi sympathisers too.

Haha jesus.

Back that up with some posts. moron

Johno please? · 26 Jun 2015 at 12:34

MichaelAwkward said:
And when we bomb schools and hospitals and invade sovereign states, we are Westerners and commit our acts in the name of Western values.

I'm sorry what sovereign states have we invaded?

Iraq had already forfeited its sovereignty before we got there, look it up if you don't believe me.

And somehow I don't think the people of Afghanistan wanted the Taliban in power.

Maverick2332 said:
What? Please find a reliable source where someone has bombed a hospital/school in the name of "Western values"

Wasting your time, I see this every week on the internet, people like to think america and NATO just go round bombing schools and hospitals for fun to make us out to be the bad guys.

BuffetSlayer · 26 Jun 2015 at 12:35

MichaelAwkward said:
It may have been a Muslim who committed this act, but that doesn't mean they committed it BECAUSE they are a Muslim.

It is a fair comment, but ask yourself this: Would this person have done this crime if he were an atheist? I appreciate we don't want to blanket tar Islam with the same brush but at the same time it is utterly naive to believe this attack was not motivated by a sick brand of Islamic extremism or that it was not the fundamental driving force behind it.

Housey said:
If I were a muslim I would seek to shout about that and tell them how they are not part of me or my religion, belief system or moral compass and I would probably seek others who thought the same to make a stand too. See above...

So why don't they? Generally Muslims tend to stay very quiet when it comes to protesting against such vile acts in the name of their faith. Of course, some do speak up, but the Muslim community does not do itself many favours or instill any kind of confidence in their non-Muslim neighbours when they don't .

As an example there are many Muslims who take to protesting against the depiction of the Prophet Mohammed, or any insult upon him if it is a non-Muslim who perpetrates such insult. But when it is a Muslim who is twisting the faith and using it for nefarious deeds, in effect still insulting Islam but in a different way - where is the outcry, where is the condemnation?

I really think the Muslim community needs to up their game and actively tackle extremism. I accept it is not necessarily their responsibility but they further distance themselves from intergration and the values of the countries where they reside by not doing so.

Devlish · 26 Jun 2015 at 12:36

I suspect someone with a habit for this sort of nonsense has multiple accounts...

scorza · 26 Jun 2015 at 12:36

lemonade said:
Lol so explain the comments that refer Muslims as the only agressors as if its all a one way street?

Well what did the guy who got beheading in Grenoble today do to deserve it? It's only non-aggression if it's self defence and there are no existential threats to the Muslim world right now.

ak22 · 26 Jun 2015 at 12:36

deuse said:
Could you show me someone that's done a crime like this in the name of Jesus please.
Or is cutting the head off a muslim thing?

Cutting someones head off is a sin in Islam (even at a time of war) just like murder, terrorism etc.... but hey hey this Is GD people would rather listen to the media than the facts.

Shame the media only focus on the evil of what these so called Muslims are doing. To answer your question The Lord’s Resistance Army, KKK, National Liberation Front of Tripura, the list goes on do any of these groups actually follow the bible and its teaching? No.

daz.rathbone · 26 Jun 2015 at 12:38

I'm sure I read that the guy recently institutionalised for beheading a grandmother (Nicholas Salvador) claimed he thought he was slaying Satan/demons - that would probably make it in the name of Christianity (far fetched example, I know).

Crazy is crazy.

This is yet another sickening act, and I feel for the family/friends of those caught up in it.

Schlong&Stable · 26 Jun 2015 at 12:38

ak22 said:
Shame the media only focus on the evil, what these so called Muslims are doing. To answer your question The Lord’s Resistance Army, KKK the list goes on do any of these groups actually follow the bible and its teaching? No.

Does the list go on? These are the same two weak examples already named in the thread. The scale and scope of Christian terrorism pales in comparison to that of Islamic terrorism.

I'm sure I read that the guy recently institutionalised for beheading a grandmother (Nicholas Salvador) claimed he thought he was slaying Satan/demons - that would probably make it in the name of Christianity (far fetched example, I know).

Crazy is crazy.

This is yet another sickening act, and I feel for the family/friends of those caught up in it.

Someone cutting a head off because they are mentally ill is obviously different to someone doing so with a rational mind. If it turns out this person is mentally ill, then of course we should not attribute it to Islamism. But given that beheading is the Islamic method of ritual execution, I wouldn't assume they are mentally ill just because of the extreme violence.

scorza · 26 Jun 2015 at 12:40

This is interesting; http://www.theguardian.com/world/li...-terror-attack-at-french-factory-live-updates

Guardian reporting that one of the attackers was beaten to death by a firefighter at the scene. If so, good - hope that guy gets a medal

skaif · 26 Jun 2015 at 12:40

Thank god, I almost forgot what a terrorist attack was!

Muslim? Check!
Barbaric crime? Check!
Random religious jargon? Check!

Honestly the media these days...

elmarko · 26 Jun 2015 at 12:42

ADT said:
The usual ignorant fools that dance at the sight of anti Muslim threads/posts are already here by the looks of things. Anyone can claim to be a part of a religion and that doesn't mean anything. It's your actions that define it. The above is not an action of a proper Muslim.

People need to learn the difference

While I agree with the sentiment, that is a 'No true Scotsman fallacy'. You can be a peaceful Muslim or a murderous barbaric Muslim, both sides exist in Islam as they do for all religions.

To those who attempt to point the blame at just the religion I'd advise deeper thought - thinking that way is gross over-simplification. The religion it's one aspect - which in itself is dependant on the individuals interpretation of that religion.

We get nowhere by trying to reduce complex issues (social, educational, economic, religious, geopolitical, tribal & cultural) into singular causes.

ubersonic · 26 Jun 2015 at 12:42

OldCoals said:
They are Muslim and they commit their acts in the name of Islam.

The white supremacist that shot up a church was doing it in the name of Merica!, does that mean that America is to blame for that terrorist attack?

MichaelAwkward · 26 Jun 2015 at 12:44

Maverick2332 said:
What? Please find a reliable source where someone has bombed a hospital/school in the name of "Western values"

http://www.worldfuturefund.org/wffmaster/Reading/war.crimes/World.war.2/Air.Control.htm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23595388

http://www.breitbart.com/big-journa...nalist-nbc-gaza-hospital-israel-drone-strike/

I'm sure there are more examples. Before you bleat on about how it's fine because we suspected there to be ammunition stored in those Yemeni targets, I really think that's besides the point. People living in those communities who witness these bombings understandably will develop a dislike or hatred of the US/UK/Western countries.

MichaelAwkward · 26 Jun 2015 at 12:46

Thompson_NCL said:
Someone cutting a head off because they are mentally ill is obviously different to someone doing so with a rational mind. If it turns out this person is mentally ill, then of course we should not attribute it to Islamism. But given that beheading is the Islamic method of ritual execution, I wouldn't assume they are mentally ill just because of the extreme violence.

Is there not an argument that anyone who believes beheading is a justifiable act in today's world is mentally unwell in some way?

ak22 · 26 Jun 2015 at 12:47

Thompson_NCL said:
Does the list go on? These are the same two weak examples already named in the thread. The scale and scope of Christian terrorism pales in comparison to that of Islamic terrorism.

Islam, Christianity read booth their scriptures and nothing inside would condone these acts.

Amnesia · 26 Jun 2015 at 12:48

Thompson_NCL said:
Does the list go on? These are the same two weak examples already named in the thread. The scale and scope of Christian terrorism pales in comparison to that of Islamic terrorism.

I don't think the guys who do this kind of thing have an issue with Christianity, They have an issue with the West so shouldn't we compare their actions to the actions of the West which they are angry about ?