Another muslim terror attack - France

CREATIVE!11 · 26 Jun 2015 at 12:49

People going on about christian terrorism / the crusades are you barmy!?

That was 1000's of years ago ayy lmao, stop smoking crack.

This is the 21st century....

not the era when the crusades happened.

Stop talking twoddle honestly. I don't see king Richard running around right now in a full suit of armor beheading Muslims in Calais....

Schlong&Stable · 26 Jun 2015 at 12:50

ak22 said:
Islam, Christianity read booth their scriptures and nothing inside would condone these acts.

Then why did Mohammed do it?

ak22 · 26 Jun 2015 at 12:51

OldCoals said:
They are Muslim and they commit their acts in the name of Islam.

Show me where in the Quran its says its not a Sin to commit these acts? (You won't)

Just because some one claims they are committing these acts in the name of God does not mean that god condos those acts.

balky12 · 26 Jun 2015 at 12:52

MichaelAwkward said:
Is there not an argument that anyone who believes beheading is a justifiable act in today's world is mentally unwell in some way?

Please don't go down this route (if I have read it correctly).

Making excuses for people who behave in this fashion is part of the problem.

'It's not his/her/their fault, they are mentally unwell'.

(Well aware that there are cases of this out there, and people with mental health issues do need support.)

But if tis turns out to be a planned attack (which it looks like it was as flags and banners were taken, and the facility targeted specifically) you can not just shrug it off with 'well they must be mentally unwell if they act like this'.

These individual and others alike are scumbags, plain and simple.

ADT · 26 Jun 2015 at 12:53

Thompson_NCL said:
No true Scotsman fallacy.

Which of the following 'prophets' slaughtered captives and waged wars?

1. Jesus
2. Mohammed

If your answer is 2, then surely you'll appreciate why I find it difficult to believe that this is not the conduct of a true Muslim.

To the narrow minded then yes, those who open their mind will find most muslims are normal people that live their lives just like anyone you consider "normal".
There is good and bad in everything. Your view changes depending on where you look.

Freefaller · 26 Jun 2015 at 12:54

OldCoals said:
They are Muslim and they commit their acts in the name of Islam.

They aren't media labels as uncomfortable as that may be.

No they're fundamentalists, extremists - they need to be differentiated as such.

However I agree with Housey, that the issue is the silent majority, they need to stand up and be more emphatic with the "not in our name" movement.

Amnesia · 26 Jun 2015 at 12:54

MichaelAwkward said:
Is there not an argument that anyone who believes beheading is a justifiable act in today's world is mentally unwell in some way?

Could that be said of all killing ?
Beheading just seems to be their way, more brutal more intimidating.

mithrandir · 26 Jun 2015 at 12:57

Another Breaking News bulletin:

Tourist hotel attacked in the Tunisian resort of Sousse

Skunkworks · 26 Jun 2015 at 12:58

Mentally ill.
Not a real Muslim.
A Christian did something 1000 years ago.
Israel.

Hmm, that list looks rather short, I think I must have missed a couple.

Amnesia · 26 Jun 2015 at 12:59

Freefaller said:
No they're fundamentalists, extremists - they need to be differentiated as such.

However I agree with Housey, that the issue is the silent majority, they need to stand up and be more emphatic with the "not in our name" movement.

Have people not done this already ? did anything change ? must they do it every time a terrorist attack occurs anywhere in the world ?
Will everyone stop associating them with terrorists if they do it every single time ?

Above&Beyond · 26 Jun 2015 at 13:03

CREATIVE!11 said:
People going on about christian terrorism / the crusades are you barmy!?

That was 1000's of years ago ayy lmao, stop smoking crack.

This is the 21st century....

not the era when the crusades happened.

Stop talking twoddle honestly. I don't see king Richard running around right now in a full suit of armor beheading Muslims in Calais....

It is a rather tiring attempt at deflection hearing the same old excuses trotted out by the same people.

ubersonic · 26 Jun 2015 at 13:08

Thompson_NCL said:
The scale and scope of Christian terrorism pales in comparison to that of Islamic terrorism.

In the UK more people have been killed by Christian terrorists in the last 50 years than by Islamic terrorists.

FTM · 26 Jun 2015 at 13:13

says a fireman killed one of the suspects...do you think he ran him over or used his axe?

Bensons · 26 Jun 2015 at 13:14

All that will hapen is some world leader saying "this is unacceptable" and then do nothing about it.

ak22 · 26 Jun 2015 at 13:14

Thompson_NCL said:
Does the list go on? These are the same two weak examples already named in the thread. The scale and scope of Christian terrorism pales in comparison to that of Islamic terrorism.

That was few examples of so called religious terrorist groups none of them are following what Christianity preaches, just like ISIS. That was the point I was making, anyonne can make terrorists group claim they doing it in the name of god, that doesn't change the facts of religious teaching and it never will.

Look at this for example did you even know about half these attacks? No as its not committed by a so called Muslim

https://www.europol.europa.eu/conte...ion-terrorism-situation-and-trend-report-2014

scorza · 26 Jun 2015 at 13:16

ak22 said:
That was few examples of so called religious terrorist groups none of them are following what Christianity preaches. That was the point i was making any tom dick & harry can make terrorists group claim they doing it in the name of god.

Look at this for example did you even know about half these attacks? No as its not committed by a so called Muslim.

https://www.europol.europa.eu/conte...ion-terrorism-situation-and-trend-report-2014

How many deaths resulted from these terror attacks?

Amp34 · 26 Jun 2015 at 13:16

deuse said:
But is was a muslim that did it. Can't you see\understand this?
Or are you saying he wasn't a muslim religious nut job?

If only we could go back in time and kill the people that up these stories.

He was also a man and French (presumably). No one is arguing all french men should all be "fixed" because of this, or that all french men should stand up and speak out.

Like most people that do this he probably is a nut job, much like the guy that killed all the black churchgoers last week... He wanted to start a civil war because "they" were raping his women, but he wasn't a terrorist... Oh no!

Freefaller · 26 Jun 2015 at 13:17

Skunkworks said:
Mentally ill.

Not a real Muslim.

A Christian did something 1000 years ago.

Israel.

Hmm, that list looks rather short, I think I must have missed a couple.

Send them back??

Amnesia said:
Have people not done this already ? did anything change ? must they do it every time a terrorist attack occurs anywhere in the world ?
Will everyone stop associating them with terrorists if they do it every single time ?

I've never really seen much of it - we need the leaders to make a stand to, but not just in the UK, in the whole world, people from countries where ISIS and that sort of poisonous behaviour is borne - the problem is it is highly dangerous for them as it will have repercussions

I don't really know what the answer is, but this is going to continue and something will happen which will cause this to be even worse.

Erich Kriegler · 26 Jun 2015 at 13:17

I don't understand the comparisons between Christianity and Islam.

Wasn't Jesus a pacifist, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" etc.

Meanwhile Mohammed personally ordered a woman to ba stoned to death for adultery. He owned slaves who he had sex with with. He married a 6 year old girl. He also murdered a lot of people.

and this is who Muslims are supposed to emulate and view as the perfect human being?

scorza · 26 Jun 2015 at 13:18

FTM said:
says a fireman killed one of the suspects...do you think he ran him over or used his axe?

If it was a British fireman the police would now be charging him with murder. Do you think the same will happen in France?