Another muslim terror attack - France

Why aren't you asking for the 'Christian' community to help tackle the real and significant problem of Christian terrorism??

Here is a list of just a few 'Christian' terrorist attacks:

Timothy McVeigh and the Oklahoma City bombing, April 19, 1995
The Centennial Olympic Park bombing, July 27, 1996
The murder of Dr. John Britton, July 29, 1994
Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church shooting, July 27, 2008
The murder of Dr. George Tiller, May 31, 2009
Wisconsin Sikh Temple massacre, Aug. 5, 2012
Suicide attack on IRS building in Austin, Texas, Feb. 18, 2010
Planned Parenthood bombing, Brookline, Massachusetts, 1994
The murder of Alan Berg, June 18, 1984

Well done - you've found 9 incidents over a period of 18 years. We've had three Islamic terror incidents today.

In the mean time, I'll just leave this here (from http://pewforum.org/files/2013/04/worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdf):

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You seem to be cherry picking all the bad stuff from the Koran and conveniently ignoring all the bad stuff from other religious text books like the bible.
It's not a competition on who's got the worst scriptures, they all have horrific morality within them if you look hard enough!

The point is we should be attacking and going after ALL extremism and not just singling out Islam or Muslims, the media has seriously exaggerated the level of the threat and brainwashed people in the public who lack scepticism and critical thinking, just like religious brainwashing ironically !!
 
The Muslim religion needs a reformation of sorts, scholars of the religion need to stand up and do the unthinkable (as many if not all Muslims take the words in the Qu'ran and associated books to be the infallible word of God).

This perceived infallibility does not allow criticism of the verse's and passages contained in the books, this allows literal interpretation to be used to justify acts that are plainly wrong.

In context, the scholars and leaders within the religion to apply context to things contained within the books. They need not say that the parts looked at are wrong (leading them to go against their religion), simply say that they applied at one point in history but do not apply now.

Cutting away the bad parts may help in taking away the foundations of bad ideology.

The same scenario should apply to all religions, they need to take account of the progress of mankind since their creation.
 
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Well done - you've found 9 incidents over a period of 18 years. We've had three Islamic terror incidents today.

In the mean time, I'll just leave this here (from http://pewforum.org/files/2013/04/worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdf):

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Yet you are MUCH more likely to be killed by a right-wing terrorist than a Muslim one in America!! Yet many of the news/media outlets in America won't even recognize this fact and carry on with the anti-Muslim disingenuous propaganda!!
 
You seem to be cherry picking all the bad stuff from the Koran and conveniently ignoring all the bad stuff from other religious text books like the bible.

The problem is this, Christians may be stupid too yeah.

But who bombed the world trade centers? who bombed london? who shot up charlie hebdo, who just shot 27 people at a resort? who beheaded lee rigby in the street like an animal? Who is currently killing christians in iraq? (I've listed some pretty big attacks in there too). Who are isis and what do they represent? sure we can dismiss them as nutters but they are just following the doctrine.

I think also currently in Nigeria Muslims are busy slaughtering people again....it's all starting to paint a very bad picture of Islam and there is no denying it. Because all of these attacks have happened in a short space of time too makes it worse.
 
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Why aren't you asking for the 'Christian' community to help tackle the real and significant problem of Christian terrorism??

Here is a list of just a few 'Christian' terrorist attacks:

Timothy McVeigh and the Oklahoma City bombing, April 19, 1995
The Centennial Olympic Park bombing, July 27, 1996
The murder of Dr. John Britton, July 29, 1994
Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church shooting, July 27, 2008
The murder of Dr. George Tiller, May 31, 2009
Wisconsin Sikh Temple massacre, Aug. 5, 2012
Suicide attack on IRS building in Austin, Texas, Feb. 18, 2010
Planned Parenthood bombing, Brookline, Massachusetts, 1994
The murder of Alan Berg, June 18, 1984


Most of these are government buildings.
 
Title should be another terror attack... If they were christian it wouldn't have been the focal point. They are a minority that bring hate to innocent people by association.
 
You seem to be cherry picking all the bad stuff from the Koran and conveniently ignoring all the bad stuff from other religious text books like the bible.
It's not a competition on who's got the worst scriptures, they all have horrific morality within them if you look hard enough!

The point is we should be attacking and going after ALL extremism and not just singling out Islam or Muslims, the media has seriously exaggerated the level of the threat and brainwashed people in the public who lack scepticism and critical thinking, just like religious brainwashing ironically !!

I don't feel like they've exaggerated that much when 1 person has been beheaded and 25+ have been executed today

Title should be another terror attack... If they were christian it wouldn't have been the focal point. They are a minority that bring hate to innocent people by association.

I think if they were Christian it actually would be the focal point simply because people would be expecting another Islamic Extremist, you'd need Christian in the headline just so we knew it wasn't the usual suspects
 
/reality check

The Global Terrorism Database maintained by the Start Center at the University of Maryland includes 65 attacks in the United States associated with right-wing ideologies and 24 by Muslim extremists since 9/11. The International Security Program at the New America Foundation identifies 39 fatalities from “non-jihadist” homegrown extremists and 26 fatalities from “jihadist” extremists.

"Since 9/11" :confused: Why are we not including the near 3000 innocents killed by Islamic terrorists on September the 11th? The database begins on September 12th? How convenient.
 
Perhaps a good time to revisit my five point plan for combatting Islamic extremism in the UK:

1. No planning permission to be granted for any mosque with a minaret
2. Separate Muslim inmates at Her Majesty's Prisons from the rest of the population
3. Ban on face coverings in public
4. New criminal offence of operating a Sharia law court in the UK
5. Compulsory purchase for nominal (£10) fee any Mosque where evidence of radicalisation exists. Demolish the building and convert to a public place.

They year is 2015 not 1935...

I think you missed out:
6. All muslims should sow a crescent prominently on their clothes for identification
 
Your post is very well articulated and you get your point across well. However, your solution seems to be Muslims protesting in order to show their displeasure. Visit any mosque, before prayers the Imam will speak of tragedies that have happened around the world, and they will seek to reinforce the true messages of Islam. Many mosques have this in English.

Sadly the mosque is where muslims go, not the VAST majority of this country so we never hear it. I have no reason to doubt what you say and I don't actually question that most muslims just want to get on a live their lives without bothering anyone. Experience has shown me across the world that most of us just want that. However, suggesting I go listen to a Imam is kind of supporting my core point. English/British people have never really done 'the mosque thing'. We use churches, tv, radio, the internet, pubs, clubs, sport to chat with our friends. Go to the places we all go is the way forward, not seeking us to come listen as that will fall on dead ears now, for the reasons I mention.

In an ideal world, yes, Muslims would go out and protest against these terrorists, but would you expect Catholics to go out and protest against Protestants because they have tarnished Christianity's reputation as whole, and vice versa.

Would you expect Shia Muslims to go out and protest against Sunni Muslims because their actions have damaged Islam as a whole, and vice versa? Again, in an ideal world, yes.
What I expect cathloics and protestants to do is irrelevant. Awaiting for others to fix problems before you do something about your own is another part of the problem I reference. Stop waiting, take a lead.

Similarly, these terrorists groups are not part of the religion that I know, they have fabricated their own interpretation, and like everyone else, I do not understand how they can commit such acts.
I am sure you believe that, you are here telling us this and that is great, you are most welcome and I am pleased it hear it too. I am also sure there are many many other muslims who share the same view, be nice to hear a few of them though I feel. If their argument for not doing that is because that's not the way in our community, it's not the way it's done, then that again shows some things in that community need to change.

Speak to any Muslim you know and they will tell you of their displeasure at these attacks. Showing displeasure does not solve the problem. We need to address the root causes. Saying that, there is no simple solution, there are many factors at play, protesting would be a start, and as much as I'd love for it to happen, I just can't see it any time soon.
I know one muslim really well a good mate and I know him because we share a passion and he is what I would suggest well integrated. I respect his religion and we joke about it (in a none offensive manner) but I would not seek to insult it or demean him or anyone because of it. Religion as I say is the medium being used, it is the terror groups use of it that I have issue with, together with the lack of clear demarcation of the community who practice it. I am clear 100% that he hates everyone associated with such acts and would destroy them and report them at the slightest opportunity to do so, but I also know that others would perhaps not or would think twice because of their religious conflicts. That is a problem for me, because that mindset I do not recognise and doest not fit with the country I have grown up in.

Also, throughout history, people have always used religion as a means of violence. These terrorists are doing just that, if it wasn't religion, it would be something else. Killing in the name of religion is just easy, especially when many Muslim countries are 3rd world countries, and religion is all they have, they have no education and no prospects. These are the people that are brainwashed into these terrorist organisations. It is unfortunate that religion causes so much hate and separates people. I think even if there was no religion, people will still find reasons to hate each other.
On that we agree 100%. My issue is when that religion seems to remain in the main silent, for it does, about their total disconnection with those who seek to associate themselves or even seeks to understand and discuss some of their points, that is what I take issue with.

I'm not anti religion and though I don't have a religious faith or believe in any of it, I would not seek to debate it's merits or otherwise if it is important ot a person. If a group of people call the Birmingham Born and Bread for the wipe out of black people started going around killing people who were black from Birmingham, using the name of white people born in Birmingham as their reason for being, I would be making noise everywhere to tell the world and ensure others around me did the same, that these people are not me, represent me and if I see them I will turn them into the police and ensure they are locked up for good.

To your core point do I seek marches? No, I seek a clear and unified voice and actions that are visible to remove this hate from this country, no matter where it resides. Today I see very little of that and THIS is my point.
 
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Why shouldn't Muslims be allowed to build mosques ??

Is this Nazi Germany :confused: We can't dictate what people can and can't wear in public (within reason of course)
Sounds like you want to live in a police state or a theocracy ;)

I always imagine Scorza's first name is "Joseph", and he was born on the day Stalin died... :p

It would explain the weird socialist authoritarian ideology he has.
 
Here is a list of just a few 'Christian' terrorist attacks:

Timothy McVeigh and the Oklahoma City bombing, April 19, 1995
The Centennial Olympic Park bombing, July 27, 1996
The murder of Dr. John Britton, July 29, 1994
Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church shooting, July 27, 2008
The murder of Dr. George Tiller, May 31, 2009
Wisconsin Sikh Temple massacre, Aug. 5, 2012
Suicide attack on IRS building in Austin, Texas, Feb. 18, 2010
Planned Parenthood bombing, Brookline, Massachusetts, 1994
The murder of Alan Berg, June 18, 1984
Not to mention that most of those weren't directly attributable to religious motives, so I'm a little confused as to their relevance?
 
Some complete tools in thread blaming Islam on terror attacks when Islam does not even condone these attacks.

But nah lets keep ignoring the facts..your as bad as the idiots claiming these murders are in the name Islam.

Seriously go and educate yourself read the Quran or speak to Imam.
 
The same way Timothy Mcveigh, Anders brevnick (sp?) or the genocide in Rwanda could be used to attack or blame 'Christians' but we don't do that because that would be stupid!
Plenty of atrocities being committed right now in Africa by people who claim to be 'Christians' and in many cases in the name of Christianity but the western media doesn't seem to want to prejudice the whole of Christianity because of this!! I wonder why, I don't suppose that it's because it happens to be the sky fairy they believe in :rolleyes:

The hypocrisy is repugnant :mad:
 
Yet you are MUCH more likely to be killed by a right-wing terrorist than a Muslim one in America!! Yet many of the news/media outlets in America won't even recognize this fact and carry on with the anti-Muslim disingenuous propaganda!!

I don't live in the USA, I live in the UK.
 
I don't think getting into a debate about why we have planning laws is going to help - the fact is that we do have planning laws and I have suggested how it might be changed as a means of combatting Islamic extremism. :cool:

Do you have any evidence to show removing minarets reduces muslim extremism?

Do you also advocate removing spires from new churches? They may have the same effect in turning the religious into extremists...
 
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Some complete tools in thread blaming Islam on terror attacks when Islam does not even condone these attacks.

But nah lets keep ignoring the facts..your as bad as the idiots claiming these murders are in the name Islam.

Seriously go and educate yourself read the Quran or speak to Imam.

But, its ALWAYS muslim people who carry out these atrocities! Always muslim people who have extremist views!!

They DO murder in the name of Islam!!!!!! Fact!!!
 
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