Attack on Tunisian hotel

The reason people become radicalised is because people around them do nothing, or allow them to carry on. It doesn't matter what religion it is, what sect, what cult, what belief system, this is a fact most of the time. We seem to have many radicals within the muslim community and I suggest that's because of the reasons I outline. There are places where hate is allowed to flourish and people around them, whether friends, family or colleagues are not seeing, or worse, ignoring the signs and when they do see them they are failing to do something about it, to own the problem, whether that be confront them or report them.

If I became aware of someone who was preaching hate and violence I would act. How I would act would depend, but I wouldn't ignore it or suggest it was "just a phase". That's how we are where we are and why school kids in America seem to like gunning down their school friends or members of their community who have different coloured skin. It is pretty much always the case that someone knows about these people, has seen many signs but as the great saying goes...

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."

I believe this is the problem that exists within the muslim community today in this country and is why the rest of the country has grown tired of listening because frankly they see nothing changing, if anything the problem getting worse. As I have said elsewhere people don't want to hear the other side in the main, they want to see hate preachers, followers, underground networks and other such sects within the community uncovered for the reasons that I outline above. Fairness isn't something people have much time for these days, they just see a small section of society becoming more insular (which I do understand) and a total lack of openness in the broader media on a frequent basis. We then see boo hoo politics which just creates more anger because the majorty, frankly, have started to give up caring about the community or it's religion, for it's not them and they don't understand it or worse, don't want to understand it anymore.

Scary times.
 
The reason people become radicalised is because people around them do nothing, or allow them to carry on. It doesn't matter what religion it is, what sect, what cult, what belief system, this is a fact most of the time. We seem to have many radicals within the muslim community and I suggest that's because of the reasons I outline. There are places where hate is allowed to flourish and people around them, whether friends, family or colleagues are not seeing, or worse, ignoring the signs and when they do see them they are failing to do something about it, to own the problem, whether that be confront them or report them.

If I became aware of someone who was preaching hate and violence I would act. How I would act would depend, but I wouldn't ignore it or suggest it was "just a phase". That's how we are where we are and why school kids in America seem to like gunning down their school friends or members of their community who have different coloured skin. It is pretty much always the case that someone knows about these people, has seen many signs but as the great saying goes...

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."

I believe this is the problem that exists within the muslim community today in this country and is why the rest of the country has grown tired of listening because frankly they see nothing changing, if anything the problem getting worse. As I have said elsewhere people don't want to hear the other side in the main, they want to see hate preachers, followers, underground networks and other such sects within the community uncovered for the reasons that I outline above. Fairness isn't something people have much time for these days, they just see a small section of society becoming more insular (which I do understand) and a total lack of openness in the broader media on a frequent basis. We then see boo hoo politics which just creates more anger because the majorty, frankly, have started to give up caring about the community or it's religion, for it's not them and they don't understand it or worse, don't want to understand it anymore.

Scary times.

Why should anyone become radicalised though?
 
Every time some so-called muslim leader/cleric/Imam/scholar is wheeled out by the BBC to supposedly condemn Islamic atrocities there is always a BUT, always without exception.
 
Every time some so-called muslim leader/cleric/Imam/scholar is wheeled out by the BBC to supposedly condemn Islamic atrocities there is always a BUT, always without exception.

One or two exceptions that I have seen to be fair, but this is pretty much the case. I am not suggesting they don't have things that need to be discussed or should be addressed as they do, but now is the time for action, not negotiation or agendas as sentiment seems to be not to listen anymore in the majority of people.
 
And believing the world owes them something.

Bring back national service, install a sense of greater community.
 
Stupidity, always.


What about the fact that 500,000-1,000,000 have been butchered in Iraq and Palestine. after Iraq has been through many many decades of dictatorship and sectarian bloodshed. Do you not see a connection between this and the uprising?
 
It sends a awful message, one which some will exploit.

Aye - won't deny that it's aimed at provoking the enemy, which is what you need to do sometimes. You won't defeat terrorism through appeasement any more than you will with soldiers - you need to defeat the idea and the only way to do that is with a different idea.
 
What about the fact that 500,000-1,000,000 have been butchered in Iraq and Palestine. after Iraq has been through many many decades of dictatorship and sectarian bloodshed. Do you not see a connection between this and the uprising?

Of course I understand, better than many I'd suggest, but do you know what, I don't care, frankly. If someone in Britain wants to hurt me here because they think I am a cause and effect problem, in this country which they have chosen to live within and accept the laws of, I take issue with that. That shows me they are British at best second and that mindset means they are at best guests, at worst enemies of THIS state and need removing. White, black, brown, christian, Buddhist, Scientoligist Mormon or Stokey, it doesn't matter.. We have laws and a way of life and we are struggling to maintain it by accommodating everyone, not matter how small their voice is. That hasn't and will never work if when you say no or do what you have always done for generations they so "ok, then we are going to fight you from inside and preach our way till you listen". I say again I do not nail this across the community, but it is there and growing and that again is my point.

One thing however, I won't accept that oil and the west is the reason for this because frankly that is yet again excuse politics and why nothing gets fixed as people seek to button whole an un-button whole'able problem to suit their agenda. Sure, west has played its part, but that is not reason to kill me to make your point as I would hope we become more civilised, not less.
 
Of course I understand, better than many I'd suggest, but do you know what, I don't care, frankly. If someone in Britain wants to hurt me here because they think I am a cause and effect problem, in this country which they have chosen to live within and accept the laws of, I take issue with that. That shows me they are British at best second and that mindset means they are at best guests, at worst enemies of THIS state and need removing. White, black, brown, christian, Buddhist, Scientoligist Mormon or Stokey, it doesn't matter.. We have laws and a way of life and we are struggling to maintain it by accommodating everyone, not matter how small their voice is. That hasn't and will never work if when you say no or do what you have always done for generations they so "ok, then we are going to fight you from inside and preach our way till you listen". I say again I do not nail this across the community, but it is there and growing and that again is my point.

One thing however, I won't accept that oil and the west is the reason for this because frankly that is yet again excuse politics and why nothing gets fixed as people seek to button whole an un-button whole'able problem to suit their agenda. Sure, west has played its part, but that is not reason to kill me to make your point as I would hope we become more civilised, not less.

You don't care because your living safely and not the one being blown up. Secondly you talk about choice, so where are many going to move too if they don't want to live here, most of the immigrants coming here have a preconceived vision of heaven about Britain, they don't know any better.

You say oil is not the reason, or main reason, you seriously need to do some research as oil is a major reason, really, go and do some research on America, you take away oil and their military stops, end of story.

Are you drunk or BNP, and, I have met quite a few preachers and I hope your again, drunk if thinking you are one.
 
You don't care because your living safely and not the one being blown up. Secondly you talk about choice, so where are many going to move too if they don't want to live here, most of the immigrants coming here have a preconceived vision of heaven about Britain, they don't know any better.

You say oil is not the reason, or main reason, you seriously need to do some research as oil is a major reason, really, go and do some research on America, you take away oil and their military stops, end of story.

Are you drunk or BNP, and, I have met quite a few preachers and I hope your again, drunk if thinking you are one.

Muslims and Christians have been killing each other since before oil or America was even discovered.

Its ok though, I get it, its cool to hate America and blame all the worlds ills on them. I had friends who thought same in secondary school, they all had cool che Guevara posters and t shirts. I think they grew out of it eventually.

Stick it to the man! All western politicians are evil money grabbing boogie men! etc etc
 
^^^^^This is what I don't get! :rolleyes:

Me? I turn every stone I see am a very analytical person! ;)

It does make life a little dull and awkward though. :(


It's only because you have a network of people protecting you. I don't think you'll ever understand the meaning of being a servant.
 
You don't care because your living safely and not the one being blown up. Secondly you talk about choice, so where are many going to move too if they don't want to live here, most of the immigrants coming here have a preconceived vision of heaven about Britain, they don't know any better.

You say oil is not the reason, or main reason, you seriously need to do some research as oil is a major reason, really, go and do some research on America, you take away oil and their military stops, end of story.

Are you drunk or BNP, and, I have met quite a few preachers and I hope your again, drunk if thinking you are one.

If that's the best you have I suspect anything I say towards you is wasted. Have a nice night.
 
It's only because you have a network of people protecting you. I don't think you'll ever understand the meaning of being a servant.

I am me, I don't need anything or anyone, fair means or foul. I will get through! :D

A good friend once said to me "Drop me in desert with nothing and I will drive out in a range rover" ;)
 
Fairness isn't something people have much time for these days

islam is amazingly easy to stereotype, every time a so called 'moderate' muslim organisation tries to defend islam, someone else from their own community will instantly do something violent, misogynistic, corrupt or be party to another underage rape, without fail.
It's like they all suffer from some mad pixie version of Tourette's syndrome.

Max Clifford must have been really jealous of their ability to get their face in the papers every single day, month after month, year after year.

It's probably worse in America, there they have bumper stickers that say "9/11 taught me all I needed to know about islam".
That's their 10 second attention span all used up.
 
Great to see the muslim people in Sousse protesting about the scum that killed people.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-33302564

Pity the muslims here don't do the same.

Why should they?
This is the problem with how a lot of people think, if one Muslim says or does something then certain people will tar them all with the same brush.
Have you ever apologised when some white Christian or Catholic has committed murder or abused a child?
 
Why should they?
This is the problem with how a lot of people think, if one Muslim says or does something then certain people will tar them all with the same brush.
Have you ever apologised when some white Christian or Catholic has committed murder or abused a child?

As I pointed out earlier, a million of us protested in London against Iraq.
 
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