Belgians doctors agree to "assist the dying" of healthy 24yr old with suicidal thoughts

Xordium said:
I know this may come as a shock to you ... but have consider the strong possibility that said doctors had actually attempted to cure her illness or alleviate to the point life was more manageable for her.
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I have, and I'm totally aware that we're definitely not being fed the whole story, and healthcare very much is our business. I thought I was making that I'm making assumptions clear with my heavy use of brackets above. I'm more responding to those that bluntly say if she wants to die just let her off the bat, that concept genuinely scares the **** out of me.
 
Dj_Jestar said:
Guy on internet says "It's a slippery slope" after reading a few paragraphs from newspapers.

Meanwhile qualified doctors, physicians and psychiatrists with the collective knowledge and experience of near immeasurable amounts have decided that assisted death is suitable after much diagnosis and investigation.
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Guy on Internet cites latest newspaper report illustrating reality of slippery slope on assisted suicide. Same chap has been following this issue for several years.

Funnily enough majority of doctors are opposed to assisted suicide. As far as I am aware, every single disabled charity in this country is opposed to assisted suicide.
 
The funny thing is only one person has mentioned "slippery slope" so far and he pulled it out as a straw argument while being in favour of this case.
 
BigglesPiP said:
Oops, we turned death into an industry. The US would have adverts on TV by now.
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Impaled - $300
Drowned in a toilet - $500

Check our reviews out:
"I was bored and seeking attention so I decided to end it all. They were very professional and the spike was green just like I asked for. Would definately use again!"

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My father went through euthanasia a few months ago. I wasn't close with him but I did see photos of him before he went through with it and I can honestly say that if he felts as bad as he looked, it's perfectly understandable.

Throat cancer before anyone asks.
 
spudbynight said:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...n-light-die-euthanasia-suicidal-thoughts.html

Story here of a 24 year old woman in Belgium. This woman doesn't have any terminal illness or anything that impacts her life. What she does have is suicidal ideation. Doctors in Belgium have now agreed to kill her, sorry, assist her dying.

Yes, I know this is being reported in the Daily Mail, but this is yet another example of the slippery slope on "assisted dying" being proven. The envelope on this keeps getting pushed further and further and I am firmly of the opinion that this is what we face in this country.

As a society we have gone from trying to stop people from killing themselves to helping them do it.
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people should have the right to die if they want to regardless of what other people think.

people shouldn't be prisoners in this life purely because someone might be offended.

so what your offended? nothing happens
 
OhEsEcks said:
To be fair, if you want to kill yourself, you're better off having a professional help you. A mate of mine overdosed and it took him a while to die. Another mate hung himself in the cabin of a boat he was on, with his parents right there in the opposite bunk.

She could walk in front of a train. But that just makes everyone late for work and traumatises the driver of the train she walked in front of. She could top herself in her home. But again, she might not get it right. And if she does she could sit for a while before anyone finds her and that's just unpleasant for the biohazard teams that have to go in and clean up.

As someone with schizoaffective disorder, suicide is something I think about a lot. Not just as in "woe is me this darkened world" but the whole aspect of how you would go about it, the effects it would have on everyone immediately connected to you. The effects it has on those that have to deal with the immediate aftermath of finding your rotting corpse, et cetera.
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Being totally dispassionate and rational I have to agree.

That said I can't help but feel how tragic it must be to be only 24 and want to die :( I'd rather the doctors offer her the ability to change her view point on life - but then I guess they're interfering but surely justifiably?
 
Hotwired said:
Excellent, so we can consider poisoning to death as an acceptable treatment for depression after much diagnosis and investigation of qualified doctors, physicians and psychiatrists with the collective knowledge and experience of near immeasurable amounts.

I disapprove.
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I wouldn't call it a "treatment" as such, in much the same way as assisted suicide for someone dying slowly and painfully of cancer isn't a "treatment" for cancer.

But when you've exhausted all other options (not that I'm saying this is necessarily the case in this instance), do you force the person to continue living in pain* or do you help them end their suffering?

* Or are people falling into the trap of believing that mental pain isn't comparable to physical pain?
 
Hotwired said:
The funny thing is only one person has mentioned "slippery slope" so far and he pulled it out as a straw argument while being in favour of this case.
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Actually two people have mentioned it:

The OP here:

spudbynight said:
but this is yet another example of the slippery slope on "assisted dying" being proven.
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and me in response and reference to the OP here:

Xordium said:
Now this is a slippery slope fallacy.
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Keep up!
 
My only concern is due to the physical nature of the brain & that the state of our minds is permanently in flux, then for the individual in question there still is the potential for a cure.

At the age of 24 a majority of people have not yet even matured sufficiently, or I'd be concerned that they wouldn't have had long enough to attempt a myriad of different therapy techniques.

I do support the right to end a life if all alternatives are exhausted & the main reason to be in favour of extreme caution is to prevent people from taking their life who have the capacity within them to still live a fulfilling life (temporary state of mind) or coerced into it (usually a concern for older patients).

Saying that I'd like to think the professionals have genuinely exhausted all other choices, but due to the mental aspect of the condition I find it hard to truly know this would be the case (compared to condition which is known to be permanent or terminal), but I don't have all of the available data to make that as a definitive statement either way.
 
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Obviously she's not healthy if she's having suicidal thoughts. Overall health isn't defined by physical health alone.
 
Hotwired said:
Read your own posts, you quoted me badly when saying it.
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Maybe you should consider actually quoting what you are replying to.

Another thing would be to look up the definition of a strawman.

Another thing would be that if you really think you are right - use your new found skills in quoting to demonstrate where exactly the strawman was used. ;)
 
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This is where you pretend I'm suggesting things are getting worse.

I expect they are following the same standards they have used all the time but this hasn't happened before.
 
Good, and I don't see it as a slippery slope. As long as there's safe guards. So people aren't coerced and they've tried cures etc.
If you've been depressed for 20odd years why not. She's likely to have had treatment for depression and it hasn't worked.

It's an absolute disgrace we don't have assisted suicide in the UK.
 
Glaucus said:
Good, and I don't see it as a slippery slope. As long as there's safe guards. So people aren't coerced and they've tried cures etc.
If you've been depressed for 20odd years why not. She's likely to have had treatment for depression and it hasn't worked.

It's an absolute disgrace we don't have assisted suicide in the UK.
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also there's probably some kind of closure for any family and friends rather than finding out XXX took his own life at the weekend by jumping into a river
 
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