Greece Elections

dowie · 1 Jul 2015 at 20:58

V F said:
We aren't suffering the huge unemployment that they are.

which, given the huge banking sector we have and the bit hit it took during the financial crisis, might indicate that the issues in Greece aren't just down to the evil bankers....

Destination · 1 Jul 2015 at 20:58

Greebo said:
I saw a trade unionist today who is organising pensioner's marches and protests with the whole aim to, and I quote "remove the government and replace it with one who will stand up to Euorpe and reinstate the 40% pension then have been robbed"

I wonder in his crazy little world, who does he think is going to pay for such things?

dowie · 1 Jul 2015 at 21:01

yeah man, down with austerity we need growth and spending and it will all be paid for with magic beans

Greebo · 1 Jul 2015 at 21:10

It's conservatively estimated that the unpaid annual tax which is evaded each year matches the actual tax they collect. Crazy situation.

Imagine the uk if the government suddenly only collected half the tax revenue they do now? I suspect we would be in big trouble as well.

dowie · 1 Jul 2015 at 21:28

well if the general population started paying their taxes then they'd not be in the mess in the first place

still it is somehow evil bankers, harsh EU politicians who are to blame

Destination · 1 Jul 2015 at 21:32

dowie said:
well if the general population started paying their taxes then they'd not be in the mess in the first place

still it is somehow evil bankers, harsh EU politicians who are to blame

Precisely what they are still not getting.

Sankari · 1 Jul 2015 at 23:10

thep02 said:
The onus is always on the paid professional.

...but not to the exclusion of the person who hired them to do something dodgy.

If you pay a professional to cheat the system, you bear the blame for your crime.

Sankari · 1 Jul 2015 at 23:14

PermaBanned said:
I'm sure everyone understands why the austerity occurred. They just feel, very understandably, that the people of a country shouldn't have to suffer to cover the mistakes of a few in the financial sector.

But it's not just 'the mistakes of a few in the financial sector.' It's decades of institutionalised corruption. It's decades of tax evasion by rich people and regular Greek citizens. It's decades of fakelaki in the public and private sectors.

Iraklis F.C. · 2 Jul 2015 at 00:05

Hehe, i knew there would be loads of criticism, its alright i am open to criticism anytime.

Lets hope that our "pure" president can help us

In early November 2014, just days after becoming head of the commission, Juncker was hit by media disclosures -- derived from a document leak known as LuxLeaks -- that Luxembourg under his premiership had turned into a major European centre of corporate tax avoidance. With the aid of the Luxembourg government, companies transferred tax liability for many billions of euros to Luxembourg, where the income was taxed at a fraction of 1%. Juncker, who in a speech in Brussels in July 2014 promised to "try to put some morality, some ethics, into the European tax landscape", was sharply criticized following the leaks.[44] A subsequent motion of censure in the European parliament was brought against Juncker over his role in the tax avoidance schemes. The motion was defeated by a large majority.[45]

and of our glorious eurogroup president who faked his CV

Mr Dijsselbloem, who gave an address at the college last Thursday, was appointed Finance Minister of Holland last November and his biography was posted on official internet sites of European institutions, including the European Investment Bank, which initially claimed he had received an MA in Business Economics from UCC.

However, Mr Dijsselbloem never obtained any degree from UCC, as no such degree exists, and his biography had to be amended to say he “did business economics research towards a master's degree at the University College Cork.”

I am certain those immaculate partners of ours will teach us a lesson or two

dowie · 2 Jul 2015 at 00:09

Evangelion said:
...but not to the exclusion of the person who hired them to do something dodgy.

If you pay a professional to cheat the system, you bear the blame for your crime.

yup it isn't like a financial adviser talking to a complete chump, the government is supposed to hire competent people in their treasury, central bank etc.. and take advice from third parties if required

the government decided to enter into a massive cross currency swap to actively conceal their level of debt... and they actually went along with the whole keep it quite and don't ask the competition for quotes thing.... the salesperson at Goldman probably made a fortune from that single deal

Sankari · 2 Jul 2015 at 00:16

Iraklis F.C. said:
Hehe, i knew there would be loads of criticism, its alright i am open to criticism anytime.

Lets hope that our "pure" president can help us

and of our glorious eurogroup president who faked his CV

I am certain those immaculate partners of ours will teach us a lesson or two

Now let's talk about Greek tax evasion and fakelaki.

Iraklis F.C. · 2 Jul 2015 at 00:23

Evangelion said:
Now let's talk about Greek tax evasion and fakelaki.

we've talked numerous times about it, greece will default, its citizens will be burned, their homes bought for 10 quid and cucumber will be banned from tzatziki, locusts will finish the land off.

what else do you want on the topic?

dowie · 2 Jul 2015 at 00:29

invasion by Turkey?

Iraklis F.C. · 2 Jul 2015 at 00:32

dowie said:
invasion by Turkey?

invasion from turkey, hmmm great idea! :cool:

I would be grateful if you could enlighten me on how it is being invaded by hordes of foreigners, you live in the uk now dont ya?

Monkeynut · 2 Jul 2015 at 00:33

Surely Europe won't allow an invasion by Turkey... will it?

StriderX · 2 Jul 2015 at 00:34

Monkeynut said:
Surely Europe won't allow an invasion by Turkey... will it?

In exchange for membership to EUSSR?

Iraklis F.C. · 2 Jul 2015 at 00:39

Monkeynut said:
Surely Europe won't allow an invasion by Turkey... will it?

depends, terms and conditions may apply!

V F · 2 Jul 2015 at 00:59

I can't see them voting No now. The fear has set in with the amount of panic. Especially when you see the pensioners.

Sankari · 2 Jul 2015 at 02:07

Iraklis F.C. said:
we've talked numerous times about it, greece will default, its citizens will be burned, their homes bought for 10 quid and cucumber will be banned from tzatziki, locusts will finish the land off.

That sounds like a great start.

what else do you want on the topic?

Fewer excuses would be nice.

MrMoonX · 2 Jul 2015 at 06:56

Greebo said:
It's conservatively estimated that the unpaid annual tax which is evaded each year matches the actual tax they collect. Crazy situation.

Imagine the uk if the government suddenly only collected half the tax revenue they do now? I suspect we would be in big trouble as well.

If the UK government pursued the tax avoided by corporations and rich individuals who know every tax dodge alive, it would pay for our own deficit, but they won't cos they are the largest Tory donors

It's pretty disgusting that people here are relishing in the destruction of a whole country's economy and actively hoping that the people there end up in ruins, good old ocuk :rolleyes: