Poll: HSBC staff sacked....

Do you think the sackings are justified?

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dowie

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dowie

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... for mucking about making a silly 'ISIS' video on a team building day

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/article4490060.ece

so just to get this straight, some lads from the legal department acting inappropriately and potentially causing 'offence' as a result of a social media/PR gaff deserve to all lose their jobs, rather than perhaps some other disciplinary action and maybe some training on the appropriate use of social media

however rigging the FX market or having it rigged by people reporting to you - well you mostly get to keep your job aside from a few scapegoats


Which is worse if we take a step back - silly jokey video that may be offensive and cause a brief media fuss or millions of £££s in ill-gotten gains and resulting massive fines from rigging markets?
 
It looks pretty serious to me, well by the standards you'd expect in this country. Second, did those particular guys rig the FX market. Third, has it been proved that anybody did and if so your saying there was no penalty at all, I'm not clued up on it. Fourth, they may have already been disciplined for something else.
 
Totally justified, you will more than likely find that they have a clause in there contract that states you must not behave in a way that would bring negative attention to their employer.

Plus it also makes a mockery of the grief that the families who have lost loved ones this way feel, would the reaction be the same if they created a mock gas chamber and dropped a can of Zyclon B in whilst dressed as nazis, I personally think it would.
 
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What on earth made them think this was a good idea!! They're ****ing stupid doing this and quite rightly deserve to be sacked. How intensive!!!!
 
So, it's totally justified that these people were fired.

However, OP is not wrong in his observation that it's easier to get fired for doing something offensive than if you did something criminal.
 
Some people (bankers? How surprising...) seem to be living in an alternative universe! They deserved to be sacked for that.
 
dowie said:
... for mucking about making a silly 'ISIS' video on a team building day

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/article4490060.ece

so just to get this straight, some lads from the legal department acting inappropriately and potentially causing 'offence' as a result of a social media/PR gaff deserve to all lose their jobs, rather than perhaps some other disciplinary action and maybe some training on the appropriate use of social media
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Stupid thing to do, especially at a team build. If HSBC see fit to sack them then fine. Silly people didn't think before what they did and uploaded. They would still have a job if they didn't do it. It's that simple.
 
Being sacked over that is laughable. I can understand that bosses maybe want to make an example of them, and are probably pretty terrified of the media making massive deal out of it, but losing your job over that is a joke. If that was truly a sackable offence, there'd be no military left.
 
Zefan said:
Being sacked over that is laughable. I can understand that bosses maybe want to make an example of them, and are probably pretty terrified of the media making massive deal out of it, but losing your job over that is a joke. If that was truly a sackable offence, there'd be no military left.
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I agree,I hope the guys in question take it further and seek legal advice..surely they should receive a certain amount of warnings before they can just be sacked.

Not only that,How do the bank know for sure that's the guys who they sacked?..they all had masks on so..just seems like the bank have pulled the trigger a bit quick to save their skin.
 
Zefan said:
Being sacked over that is laughable. I can understand that bosses maybe want to make an example of them, and are probably pretty terrified of the media making massive deal out of it, but losing your job over that is a joke. If that was truly a sackable offence, there'd be no military left.
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Really? Perhaps that says something about the military then? In civvy street this is well beyond the line of what is sackable.
 
Nevakonaza said:
I agree,I hope the guys in question take it further and seek legal advice..surely they should receive a certain amount of warnings before they can just be sacked.
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Not for gross misconduct which is what this would be.

Nevakonaza said:
Not only that,How do the bank know for sure that's the guys who they sacked?..they all had masks on so..just seems like the bank have pulled the trigger a bit quick to save their skin.
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I don't think the identity of the individuals is in question.
 
Moses said:
It was a stupid thing to do, but sacking them for that seems OTT. The power of social media... don't put anything dodgy on there, kids!

I'd guess they were in those kinda suits at a karting day, then one remarked about orange jumps suits and hostages... it's not like they put a lot of thought into some edgy fancy dress, it was probably a spur of the moment thing when they were doing group photos.
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Hopefully they don't now get penalised by the SRA...
 
I cannot believe people think them getting sacked is over the top, only on OcUK.

It's so far over the line of what is a sackable offence you can't even see the line you crossed.
 
Obvious really that heads would roll over this silly stunt.

I love how the article states 'Four men in balaclavas' when you can quite clearly see five in the picture. :D
 
Moses said:
I'd guess they were in those kinda suits at a karting day, then one remarked about orange jumps suits and hostages... it's not like they put a lot of thought into some edgy fancy dress, it was probably a spur of the moment thing when they were doing group photos.
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exactly - it was a spur of the moment ill thought out 'joke' that was in bad taste and that they deleted after uploading, realising their mistake

I think people have been conditioned too much that breaching IT/social media contracts = instant dismissal, is fine and normal.

I'm not sure it is fine to just cause 6 people to be instantly unemployed because they did something silly as a group, in the spur of the moment during a fun activity. I mean some of them wouldn't have even been aware that the photo was going on instagram - it is just one of the group that has screwed up in that sense by posting it - the rest of them are merely guilty of some bad taste humour outside the office.

And these very same banks have seemingly done their best to cover up criminal activity, the vast majority of those involved still remaining employed.
 
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