AMD Confirms 20nm Products Moved to FinFET, Warns on Q2’15 Earnings

humbug · 7 Jul 2015 at 16:23

Dave2150 said:
Intel will kill NVIDIA eventually, in the GPU space at least.

IGPU performance from Intel is growing at an exponential rate - add to that their extremely advanced process technology, in 5-6 years Intel's IGPU performance will be similar to high end GPU's IMO

"in 5-6 years Intel's IGPU performance will be similar to high end GPU's IMO" .............of today.

Nvidia are also not standing still, AMD with their APU's aren't either, their 35 Watt Carrizo APU have similar iGPU performance to their 95 Watt Kaveri, its really quite impressive and Carrizo is still on 28nm.

Kaapstad · 7 Jul 2015 at 16:23

humbug said:
Not dead, Microsoft may acquire them, which would be a good thing.

If Microsoft bought AMD in next to no time you would be seeing messages like

"Would you like to share your viewing data of "Debbie from Dallas" with Microsoft to improve your user experience".

Huntyz · 7 Jul 2015 at 16:24

Gerard said:
People thought the same about 3dfx, they went from virtually owning the market to being bought out in a few years.

Isn't Nvida basically 3dfx anyway?

humbug · 7 Jul 2015 at 16:25

Kaapstad said:
If Microsoft bought AMD in next to no time you would be seeing messages like

"Would you like to share your viewing data of "Debbie from Dallas" with Microsoft to improve your user experience".

Skype

I use it less and less these days, there are others and increasingly better.

krooton · 7 Jul 2015 at 16:31

TNA said:
Yeah, no idea why they launched when the card was not ready. Had they made sure card works properly (no whine), can overclock and have stock available then they would have capilised on all the hype and interest. As it is many people can't be asked to wait and just get 980ti.

Everyone and sundry was complaining about how long it was taking to release as it was, they were damned either way.

Pottsey · 7 Jul 2015 at 16:31

Huntyz said:
Isn't Nvida basically 3dfx anyway?

Not really. NVidia paid for some of the patents. The assets, staff and rest didn't go to NVidia. Well some staff got hired but just as many went to other company's.

Mei · 7 Jul 2015 at 16:32

kaap do u mean debbie does dallas?

humbug · 7 Jul 2015 at 16:32

krooton said:
Everyone and sundry was complaining about how long it was taking to release as it was, they were damned either way.

The same can be said about the GTX 970, a lot of those squealed.

Did Nvidia release them too early?

Killer7xx · 7 Jul 2015 at 16:34

Huntyz said:
Isn't Nvida basically 3dfx anyway?

No, they just bought the 3DFX assets and IP I believe. I don't think they have ever supported any 3DFX products after 3DFX went bankrupt.

Muz333 · 7 Jul 2015 at 16:37

Dave2150 said:
IGPU performance from Intel is growing at an exponential rate - add to that their extremely advanced process technology, in 5-6 years Intel's IGPU performance will be similar to high end GPU's IMO

I think it would be more likely in 5-6 years Intel would release their own discrete GPU with all they've learned from the development of IGPU's.

They certainly have the money behind them to make a push into a new market if they were so inclined. Plus, as you say, having their own fabs that are ahead of the curve could give them an advantage.

I have no brand loyalty so if they did release such as GPU and it offered a good performance/price ratio I'd jump on board.

Mei · 7 Jul 2015 at 16:40

i think intel are more interested in the biggest markets
mobile sff n stuff

Pottsey · 7 Jul 2015 at 16:41

humbug said:
"in 5-6 years Intel's IGPU performance will be similar to high end GPU's IMO" .............of today.

Nvidia are also not standing still, AMD with their APU's aren't either, their 35 Watt Carrizo APU have similar iGPU performance to their 95 Watt Kaveri, its really quite impressive and Carrizo is still on 28nm.

The problem NVidia face is mobile is such a big market now, more and more R&D is being pushed into mobile. On top of that mobile players are buying up all the advanced fab space leaving the tiny in comparison desktop market to run on outdated processor nodes. If the desktop market keeps shrinking like it is, over time that will impact NVidia R&D. We are already getting technology advances appearing on mobile first and it’s only going to get worse over time. The long term trend isn’t looking good for NVidia.

TNA · 7 Jul 2015 at 16:44

krooton said:
Everyone and sundry was complaining about how long it was taking to release as it was, they were damned either way.

Oh I agree. But that is their fault really. They could have just done the E3 show, released the 300 series and gave a date for simultaneous launch for both fury's in July or August. Then people would have a solid date and be happy to wait. Waiting not knowing a date is what was really annoying.

Would have launched with a lot more stock, no whiny coolers and better drivers. Also if there is any truth to it, they would have had better benchmarks to show with windows 10.

humbug · 7 Jul 2015 at 16:45

Muz333 said:
I think it would be more likely in 5-6 years Intel would release their own discrete GPU with all they've learned from the development of IGPU's.

They certainly have the money behind them to make a push into a new market if they were so inclined. Plus, as you say, having their own fabs that are ahead of the curve could give them an advantage.

I have no brand loyalty so if they did release such as GPU and it offered a good performance/price ratio I'd jump on board.

In 5 or 6 years this space will look very different, what you are getting for your money is diminishing, midrange cards costing £400, high end cards now costing £600 / £700+, mid range Intel CPU's costing £200 and £300.

Want a half decent gaming rig these days it will cost you £1000 and then some.

TwsT · 7 Jul 2015 at 16:50

humbug said:
The same can be said about the GTX 970, a lot of those squealed.

Did Nvidia release them too early?

no

they had loads of stock on the 970 at launch and depsite what anyone says nvidia designed that card to do exactly what it does. To date it is still the best selling card of the year.

Monkeynut · 7 Jul 2015 at 16:51

About 3DFX, according to wiki:

"late 2000, not long after Voodoo 4's launch, several of 3dfx's creditors decided to initiate bankruptcy proceedings. 3dfx, as a whole, would have had virtually no chance of successfully contesting these proceedings, and instead opted to be bought by Nvidia, thus ceasing to exist as a company. The history of and participants in the 3dfx/Nvidia deal making can be read in the respective companies' financial filings from that time period. The resolution and legality of those arrangements (with respect to the purchase, 3dfx's creditors and its bankruptcy proceedings) were still being worked through the courts as of February 2009, nearly 9 years after the sale. A majority of the engineering and design team working on "Rampage" (the successor to the VSA-100 line) that remained with the transition, were requested and remained in house to work on what became the GeForce FX series. Others are known to have accepted employment with ATI to bring their knowledge to the creation of the X series of video cards and reform their own version of SLI known as "Crossfire" and yet another interpretation of 3Dfx's SLI ideal."

TNA · 7 Jul 2015 at 16:56

humbug said:
In 5 or 6 years this space will look very different, what you are getting for your money is diminishing, midrange cards costing £400, high end cards now costing £600 / £700+, mid range Intel CPU's costing £200 and £300.

Want a half decent gaming rig these days it will cost you £1000 easy.

That is when I will start upgrading every 2+ years then. I will do what I did with my 295x2. Launched at £1000+, 14 months later I got it for less than a third of the price

If 16nm does not bring the big performance leap I want, I will probably just wait until 2017. Unlike others I am more interested in performance rather than ohh, my card runs on 150w and is cool. These days they can just do it fury style and slap a water cooler on it. 150w gpu usually means mid range anyway.

humbug · 7 Jul 2015 at 16:56

TwsT said:
no

they had loads of stock on the 970 at launch and depsite what anyone says nvidia designed that card to do exactly what it does. To date it is still the best selling card of the year.

I'm not talking about stock i'm taking about coil whine.

Of course it does what its designed for, my 290 also renders games, it can't make me a cupa

Mei · 7 Jul 2015 at 16:59

TNA said:
Oh I agree. But that is their fault really. They could have just done the E3 show, released the 300 series and gave a date for simultaneous launch for both fury's in July or August. Then people would have a solid date and be happy to wait. Waiting not knowing a date is what was really annoying.

Would have launched with a lot more stock, no whiny coolers and better drivers. Also if there is any truth to it, they would have had better benchmarks to show with windows 10.

launching the same time as windows10 might of been better yeh
i mean the Ti was already out so

the launch was pretty lame too, not the stage stuff thats meant to be a bit lame but all the "gamer" stuff that followed, they really have no clue what gamers want, im sure they try to apeal to gamers too lol they just so out of touch with it

i mean even if none of them play games they must have kids or something....

Gerard · 7 Jul 2015 at 16:59

humbug said:
Wouldn't happen ^^^ all their stuff is too intertwined.

In those days we had 10 or more vendors all fighting it out, there are only 2 survivors from that, ATI and Nvidia.

3dfx spent far to much on R&D, they couldn't get their money back and went bust.

whatever happens AMD will never die, they will get taken over by one of these huge companies like MS or Samsung, then AMD will have the money they need to compete properly with Nvidia and Intel.

As far as i'm concerned, AMD getting taken over by one of these giants can't happen soon enough.

What really happened 3dfx was mismanagement, too many stop gap cards just to get a card out while rampage was constantly delayed and pushed back. Also a lot of spending on adverts, other companies, stb in juarez mexico and producing their own cards and basically giving the finger to aib partners.