Sunday Trading

shadow_boxer · 7 Jul 2015 at 19:39

OldCoals said:
A closed shop costs money to tun.

Lets not pretend that this is anything other than a way for people to make money.

Spot on! As if they really care about the consumers? :confused:

I feel really sorry for the small businesses that are going to suffer as a result of this.

SonniLombardi · 7 Jul 2015 at 19:40

Great news!

OpenToSuggestions · 7 Jul 2015 at 19:42

shadow_boxer said:
I feel really sorry for the small businesses that are going to suffer as a result of this.

Being able to run a small business soley on 'my choice of items is crap and so are my prices, but as I can open longer on Sunday I do OK' was never going to be a good business model.

I am genuinely surprised the Sunday trading laws were not binned years ago. This was always in the pipeline and even if ditched now, will definitely happen some day.

sniffy · 7 Jul 2015 at 19:45

I feel sorry for the retail staff who will be forced to work the hours to facilitate this..

OpenToSuggestions said:
Working in retail really is just a temp/student job.

Maybe it was for you but that's not a universal truth. Some people find themselves stuck in a rut whereas others simply lack the capability to do better paid work.

koolpc · 7 Jul 2015 at 19:46

sniffy said:
I feel sorry for the retail staff who will be forced to work the hours to facilitate this..

Maybe it was for you but that's not a universal truth. Some people find themselves stuck in a rut whereas others simply lack the capability to do better paid work.

Agreed. Sunday trading should be banned to let those that work all week and have families to have a well earned rest!

Haggisman · 7 Jul 2015 at 19:47

sniffy said:
I feel sorry for the retail staff who will be forced to work the hours to facilitate this..

Or the students/people with low paid 9-5 jobs who would love the opportunity to be able to work more hours at the weekend (since during the week they are too busy working/at college/uni)?

OpenToSuggestions · 7 Jul 2015 at 19:47

sniffy said:
Maybe it was for you but that's not a universal truth. Some people find themselves stuck in a rut whereas others simply lack the capability to do better paid work.

When I say this it is not meant at you....
I just simply don't care about retail workers. If they are too lazy or hopeless to ever have any dreams it isn't my problem.
I know....I'm a terrible person

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koolpc said:
Agreed. Sunday trading should be banned to let those that work all week and have families to have a well earned rest!

Sunday trading hours abolished will create jobs!
The regular 9-5 5 day week people aren't going to be forced to work 6 days. Those on low hours will get more, or hire more staff, or have less staff on the other days.

If you worked Sunday you could pick the kids up from school one weekday or something!

Danthus · 7 Jul 2015 at 19:48

The idea that this will create lots of jobs worries me, I fear that what will happen is those already employed will be expected to work more hours.

OpenToSuggestions · 7 Jul 2015 at 19:50

OldCoals said:
The idea that this will create lots of jobs worries me, I fear that what will happen is those already employed will be expected to work more hours.

I imagine a lot would jump at the idea.
This won't go down the route of forcing someone with children and an ill partner to work a 60 hour week.
***Ohh a Sun front cover story right there!***

spoffle · 7 Jul 2015 at 19:51

koolpc said:
Agreed. Sunday trading should be banned to let those that work all week and have families to have a well earned rest!

No, your religious beliefs have no place in law.

People who work all week can rest on the weekend if they want. People aren't going to be forced into
doingmore hours, more jobs will be created to fill the hours.

OpenToSuggestions said:
When I say this it is not meant at you....
I just simply don't care about retail workers. If they are too lazy or hopeless to ever have any dreams it isn't my problem

That's brutal

sniffy · 7 Jul 2015 at 19:52

OpenToSuggestions said:
When I say this it is not meant at you....

I don't work in retail so it's cool.

I just simply don't care about retail workers.

Well at least you're candid about it.

I can personally empathise as I had a misspent youth and could have found myself working full-time in a job with no prospects and getting screwed at every opportunity for a quick buck..

spoffle · 7 Jul 2015 at 19:57

OldCoals said:
The idea that this will create lots of jobs worries me, I fear that what will happen is those already employed will be expected to work more hours.

The move to 24 hour opening times didn't result in people being expect to work more hours in any substantial amount, I can't see how being open on Sunday would either.

My local Asda employed a lot more people when they moved to 24 hours, and because of how I go over at all hours you can see how they rotate staff in various areas.

I'm curious as to the implications of this change, as my local Asda closes at 10PM on a Saturday, and my local Tesco at 12AM Sunday. I wonder if this will mark the change to 24/7 opening hours except for public holidays?

Andrew_McP · 7 Jul 2015 at 19:59

If you have any retail shares, sell them now.

sniffy · 7 Jul 2015 at 20:03

spoffle said:
My local Asda employed a lot more people when they moved to 24 hours

That was a massive increase in the number of hours Asda was open over a week though. They couldn't have possibly facilitated it without hiring. In the grand scheme of things, extra hours on Sundays isn't a massive increase for the overall workforce so my cynical side (I'd love to be proven wrong with stats here as I frankly don't know) says they'll try their absolute best to plug the gap using the current workforce.

Arsonist · 7 Jul 2015 at 20:07

I feel slightly sorry for those working in retail on flexi-rotas. I used to work full time retail as a supervisor and always got drafted in Saturday and Sunday; it made socialising or seeing family near impossible, especially living 3 hours away from the family nest. However, I guess it was my choice to work in retail, and people still working in retail have that choice. They can also opt out of Sunday working hours.

Clarkson · 7 Jul 2015 at 20:08

I work part time at ASDA whilst at uni and I can't remember the last time the store reached the sales plan on a Sunday. I doubt opening longer would solve this as might be thought obvious. All that will happen is yet more money is expended (utilities, wages, etc) than what is gained in sales. Most people are only doing small basket shops or the odd few items.

Pretty pointless.

spoffle · 7 Jul 2015 at 20:09

sniffy said:
That was a massive increase in the number of hours Asda was open over a week though. They couldn't have possibly facilitated it without hiring. In the grand scheme of things, extra hours on Sundays isn't a massive increase for the overall workforce so my cynical side (I'd love to be proven wrong with stats here as I frankly don't know) says they'll try their absolute best to plug the gap using the current workforce.

Yeah, but multiply that across all the stores they have, and I can't see them considering it to be a viable option to try and increase working hours unless people want more hours.

Spook187 · 7 Jul 2015 at 20:13

SO many 9-5 monday to friday in this thread, stop living in a bubble.

b0rn2sk8 · 7 Jul 2015 at 20:16

Don't really see why there would be a problem with this?

Quite frankly if I worked in retail and worked a Sunday, I would be sure that I would rather work a full day than the 5.5 hours I'd get on a 'traditional' Sunday, hardly even worth going in.

Also I'm not sure what all this fuss is about being paid extra on Sunday's? Fairly sure that went the way of the dodo years ago and most retail just get normal wage regardless because it is just a normal day in our 24/7 society.

Super Tigers · 7 Jul 2015 at 20:18

I was on holiday in Berlin last week, a major European capital, a powerhouse of economic activity and the shops were all shut on the Sunday!! The small local shops were open and cafe's etc but the big stores were all shut, even the Apple Store was closed.

So if Berlin can cope without shops being shut on Sunday then surely we can.