Sunday Trading
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That's no longer normal.
I agree with this in principle because it's a religious restriction and therefore shouldn't be imposed on everyone, but in practice it's just going to make things worse for the working poor. Which is presumably why this government has done it, since their main policy is to make things worse for the working poor.
I think it's a great idea.
There's no such thing anymore as the working week, all 7 days of the week will have millions of people working. Also extending the working hours available will create thousands of jobs - for those who supposedly cannot find a job.
There's no such thing anymore as the working week, all 7 days of the week will have millions of people working. Also extending the working hours available will create thousands of jobs - for those who supposedly cannot find a job.
That, and I've yet to see any reason why apart from vague prophecies of doom because families won't get together if you can go shopping at 5pm on a Sunday.
That's me, that is. I do lockup 5 days a week. Every other employee strongly dislikes doing lockup because of the late finish and the lack of certainty (we don't have a closing time any more, so it can vary by an hour from day to day). I prefer it because I dislike early starts more and local management is as considerate about shifts as they're allowed to be so they try to avoid their staff being forced to work shifts with less than 11 hours between them. I usually only have to work shifts with less than 11 hours between them 1 or 2 days a week.
That might change with the restrictions on Sunday trading being lifted. It will make things worse for the working poor. How could it not?
Thousands of jobs of 2 hours a week. Could you live on £13 a week?
The number of jobs available that pay enough to live on is far lower than the number of people who need an income that's enough to live on. I'm not talking about living well. I'm not talking about having an income anywhere near the national average. I'm not even talking about what is often described as "a living wage". I'm talking about the absolute minimum - full time hours on minimum wage. ~£13K gross per year.
Oh, sure, the number of "jobs" might have gone up over the last few years. But the number of hours per job has gone down.
Scenario 1: 2 jobs with 39 contracted hours each.
Scenario 2: 3 jobs with 26 contracted hours each.
Scenario 3: 4 jobs with few or no contracted hours each.
Scenario 2 allows a claim of 50% more jobs.
Scenario 3 allows a claim of 100% more jobs.
Neither involves any more employment being created and both leave the employees worse off. In scenario 1, there were 2 people who could support themselves. In scenarios 2 and 3, there are none.
The next step is to reduce social security for people who are working but not earning enough to survive on. That way, ever more people can be pushed into severe poverty and enough desperation to take any work at any pay with any conditions. Indentured servants are cheaply used and cheaply replaced.
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pffffft
glad I don't work Sundays anymore, Sunday is NOT a working day, Sunday is not shopping days either !
glad I don't work Sundays anymore, Sunday is NOT a working day, Sunday is not shopping days either !
Yes, I have had dealings with him before where he bases his opinions on what the Bible teaches, and claims things are immoral, or things are being destroyed on the basis of it being against the bible.
He was going on about how the gay marriage being legal in the US was disgusting, because being gay is wrong, vile, disgusting and abnormal. He goes on about the Bible as much as he can, but conveniently now he's pretending his view has nothing to do with it.
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=28261392&postcount=529
So I would be appreciative if you wouldn't tell me things exist largely in my own head when you aren't aware of what's actually going on.
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Surely the actual issue here is that everyone is doing shift work, so it's shift work not Sundays being regular days that's the problem?
To be completely blunt, if you want to see family (and friends) then you can make time for them, unless you're working in excess of 50 hours a week, which is still possible if you manage your time.
I don't actually see what it changes with regards to the family situation. I feel like people are bothered about the tradition aspect than anything else.
Like all going out together to the shops?
One of the most annoying things about it was that permission to remain open was or is based on the physical size/area of the premises. Which is why places like the smaller Tesco express shops are currently open until 10/11PM on a Sunday.
Increasing the number of hours the shops are open can only increase the number of hours of employment (unless you're suggesting they just open the doors and let people help themselves?
)Regardless of your scenarios above, there will be an extra X hoursOpen * Y staffRequired = Z staffHours.
Whether Z is filled by existing employees doing extra shifts, or by new employees, there will still be extra employment created.
My post was as much about weekend work in general - its difficult to "make time" when everyone has different days off, working different times of day, etc.
Wasn't a moan an observation that with everyone working different days and hours of the week we didn't/don't exist as a family the same way as we used to.
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Great, more time to buy stuff I don't need with money I don't have to impress people I don't like.
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Indeed, I'm sure the neighbours will be gobsmacked by my ability to buy a 6 pack of Lincolnshire sausages and a loaf of bread
