Living Wage 2020... is it right?

The Dread Pirate said:
Everyone's taking about the under 25's thing as a bad thing the way I see it it'll encorage businesses to hire on younger people the issue I've seen when applying for Jobs recently is that despite having a degree after coming straight out of uni it's hard to get a Job without actual work experience in the job you're applying for hence a lot of younger degree holders are passed up in favor of those with experience with them now being a cheaper workforce surely it'll push youth unemployment down.
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I don't actually see it as a bad thing, was just pointing out that with 25 being the entry point of the minimum wage, that is a significant number of workers not getting that amount, and as a result it would be quite dangerous for the market to base its prices on the new minimum wage as others suggest it is likely to do (and it will, but you never know, due to the higher age requirement, more of a balance between the 2 wages may be met).
 
Moses said:
Get a better job, then. And pay is one aspect... there's also working conditions, the perceived respectability of the job, etc.
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That's not the answer is it though, because who then is going to train to do this job (as it still needs to be done) if there is no longer the gap in wage to signify the different level of responsibility/skill needed to do this over say, sweeping the roads?

This has been the argument from the right all along about why you can't increase the minimum wage to such high levels that don't correlate with what the job is worth as it either devalues the jobs above, or inflates their wages to, which obviously in the whole public sector it isn't going to.
 
Selfish attitude from OP. Nothing wrong helping people less fortunate. How about you getting a pay rise and better paid people complaining about you ?
 
Avenged7Fold said:
AFAIK Living wage is is something a company volunteers to offer. I am all for the introduction of a higher living wage but with the increase in cost of living that will shortly follow, i am sure we wont feel the benefit. It might even be a bit too much to make employers want to adhere to the new living wage, as living wage is optional.
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This is where the confusion is coming from.

We have a theoretical 'Living Wage' that the Low Pay Commision say companies 'should' pay which is £7.85 and £9 for London

What George announced yesterday is a compulsory wage increase for the over 25's (so effectively now their National Minimum Wage) he just cvalled it the 'Living Wage' - but it's not voluntary, companies have to pay it.
 
Dano said:
Not everybody will be unhappy with it :rolleyes:

There are enough people seeking work that I think the gaps will be filled...
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But are there enough people unemployed with the correct skill set to fill all those jobs, and if not, are the people going to bother with the costs to re-train since the pay is hardly going to be above a completely unskilled job..
 
Thanks for clearing that up bro.

I can see many small businesses struggling with this cost to the point where any job which does not require specific skills or qualifications will be reserved for anyone under 25 to avoid paying more.
 
Freakbro said:
But are there enough people unemployed with the correct skill set to fill all those jobs, and if not, are the people going to bother with the costs to re-train since the pay is hardly going to be above a completely unskilled job..
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Then the employer needs to look at it's wage structure to entice people to re-train or possibly keep their existing employees. This is hardly anything new.
 
Firestar_3x said:
If the job role is true, then it sounds like yet another case of a public sector worker overvaluing themselves, which is the point i wanted to get to.

I bet many of these public sector workers on similar wages need a reality check.
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I am indeed in that role.

I am a Senior IT Technician, Website Administrator and VLE Administrator.

I support the Entire school network, along with designing and maintaining the new website and the new Virtual Learning Environment.
I don't over value myself at all. I do a Very important job within a school :/

Firestar_3x said:
How old are you and what do you do to get £11,20 ph?
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Im 26.
 
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Freakbro said:
But are there enough people unemployed with the correct skill set to fill all those jobs, and if not, are the people going to bother with the costs to re-train since the pay is hardly going to be above a completely unskilled job..
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some retards might not, others might recognize that an IT support job can lead to other jobs and use such a role as a stepping stone to get a few years experience
 
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Dano said:
Then the employer needs to look at it's wage structure to entice people to re-train or possibly keep their existing employees. This is hardly anything new.
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But they can't, because pay is set by the government. This could be very problematic and I can see striking across the board from it. :(


dowie said:
som retards might, others might recognize that an IT support job can lead to other jobs and use such a role as a stepping stone to get a few years experience
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So the public sector, including NHS, gets filled by loads of inexperienced trigger happy college dropouts?
 
dowie said:
som retards might, others might recognize that an IT support job can lead to other jobs and use such a role as a stepping stone to get a few years experience
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This is the reason why many schools and other places have a network and other services that are in a shambles.
 
Dano said:
Then the employer needs to look at it's wage structure to entice people to re-train or possibly keep their existing employees. This is hardly anything new.
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Absolutely! I agree with you.

Now just go and tell the government that as they (being the employer) have just told their employees they are only getting a 1% pay rise for 4 years, hence the OP is complaining :p
 
Most people at the bottom will be unemployed and working for their benefits by then anyway, what company in their right mind that requires low or unskilled labour is going to pay £9 an hour when the government offers them a free labour force? people on those schemes are counted as in employment there's a lot of manipulation going on with regards to unemployment figures.
 
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Diagro said:
I am indeed in that role.

I am a Senior IT Technician, Website Administrator and VLE Administrator.

I support the Entire school network, along with designing and maintaining the new website and the new Virtual Learning Environment.
I don't over value myself at all. I do a Very important job within a school :/



Im 26.
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For a similar role you'd get paid 20-30% more in the private sector.

"So move to the private sector!" I hear you all cry.

Then who will support the infrastructure which allows your children to learn?
 
Diagro said:
I am indeed in that role.

I am a Senior IT Technician, Website Administrator and VLE Administrator.

I support the Entire school network, along with designing and maintaining the new website and the new Virtual Learning Environment.
I don't over value myself at all. I do a Very important job within a school :/

Im 26.
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What would a similar role in the private sector (in your area) pay?

22k a year? at 26 isn't too bad at all, given the average wage.
 
Trifid said:
So the public sector, including NHS, gets filled by loads of inexperienced trigger happy college dropouts?
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college dropouts where did that come from?

we're talking about people getting qualifications

strangely enough entry level printer money work doesn't pay to well, that isn't to say that all IT work within the public sector is paid at that level
 
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