Yea I'm aware that the private sector is better paid. But I enjoy working within a school
I would expect around 28-30k.
I work ProRata, So actually I get paid £18k Pa, and Don't work any of the school holidays. (Don't shoot me)
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Living Wage 2020... is it right?
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Yea I'm aware that the private sector is better paid. But I enjoy working within a school
I would expect around 28-30k.
I work ProRata, So actually I get paid £18k Pa, and Don't work any of the school holidays. (Don't shoot me)
people who want to work in the public sector - the poster has presumably chosen his job for a reason - there are more factors than just pay... he could move to the private sector now if he wanted to, jealousy over other people getting a higher living wage shouldn't be a factor
I mean for a start he's got several weeks each year where his users aren't even there
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There's only one thing for it. Communism. 
And I'm not there too
But actually this summer we have a new network rollout so I will be here a lot.
You do indeed do a very important and valuable role. One thing that you do have over private sector people on living wage is relative job security. Working in IT in the private sector I literally could be out of a job every time I go into work. When we go through a cull of people we often find out after they have been walked out of the door and put on gardening leave.
I do understand th point that if you left then "who would do the job?" but if more people didn't accept the wage then the wage would have to rise to attract employees.
However, sadly, there are a multitude of other people out there desperate to take the role at the wage. I heard on LBC radio recently that more IT workers have lost their jobs in the last few years than miners in the mine closures of the Thatcher era. But that goes relatively unnoticed. I don't have evidence to back it up as it's simply something I heard on the radio. But if it's true it demonstrated one of the big downsides of working in IT in the private sector, whatever the wage.
Yea I'm aware that the private sector is better paid. But I enjoy working within a school
I would expect around 28-30k.
I work ProRata, So actually I get paid £18k Pa, and Don't work any of the school holidays. (Don't shoot me)
I actually used to work in a very similar role and moved to a similar role in the private sector on £25k - this was a couple of years ago, so that would possibly be slightly higher now, around £26k
Yeah... except for me the summer holidays were always the busiest time of the year, rushing to do all the image rollouts, infrastructure deployments, and rebuilds while the machines weren't in use.
As I've asked several times, if all the skilled workers in the public sector move to the private sector, who's going to fill those roles in the private sector? (Based on the "skills" of some of the juniors I had to work with, I dread to think!)
There are thousands of unemployed IT people. The industry is shrinking and it is swamped with out of work people. I'm sure someone would take the job.
But that again isn't the point, why should the job role, that was valued at X amount over the minimum wage due to it's responsibility, be devalued?
If you take a fast food outlet
Or in general a minimum wage place like, often fast food
Does anyone have any idea what an almost doubling of wage would have on cost of products?
Because if it's a lot, this could end up backfiring
I have no idea
Or in general a minimum wage place like, often fast food
Does anyone have any idea what an almost doubling of wage would have on cost of products?
Because if it's a lot, this could end up backfiring
I have no idea
And as has already been pointed out it isn't likely to happen, the private sector already pays more at the moment - there are plenty of factors in choosing a job.
Banks pay lots of money - what happens if everyone works at a bank? It just isn't realistic, not everyone wants to work at a bank.
As far as I'm aware schools aren't struggling to fill basic IT posts are they? From what I can tell from some posts on here there are plenty of people happy to do IT work in schools/colleges.
Who else is going to pick up the work for barely above minimum wage? Certainly not those who are experienced.
it isn't necessarily devalued per say, unless inflation shoots up a bit
some other people earn a bit more, so what? Unless that directly contributes to a significant increase in inflation then it is irrelevant...
they're not getting a pay cut - some unskilled people with nothing to do with IT work in schools are getting a pay rise....There isn't a big issue recruiting people to do IT work in schools as far as I'm aware - the only 'issue' here seems to be some bitterness that other people in completely different jobs are not going to be as lowly paid
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This is another one of those decisions that not everyone will ever agree on. It's either those who feel hard done by, who already currently have enough money to live. Then those who are on or near minimum wage that wouldn't even be able to afford living independently if they wanted to.
But I can see prices rising, so it isn't going to make things easier and renting a place will become stupidly expensive.
But I can see prices rising, so it isn't going to make things easier and renting a place will become stupidly expensive.
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Wages and lease cost are the greatest running cost in these sort of places. The cost of transporting and paying for the food is next to nothing for very large companies. You can count on the customer paying the cost in wages.
Do people struggle to see how telling public sector workers to go and get a different job if they don't like the pay, and then turning around and moaning about how the people who work at the council are retards might possibly be linked to each other?
is which isn't a big deal, fast food etc.. costing more is probably a good thing, I'd much rather people had a proper minimum wage
Who valued it and against what? How is it being devalued if his wage goes up over time, albeit not as much as someone elses? Why is an IT job any more "valuable" than someone elses?
I'm in IT and in a lucky position be be earning a good salary (because I keep moving around). But I don't think my job is any more valuable than the person who cleans my desk or fills up the coffee machine. Both are essential to society.
There are swathes of people who earn similar, or more, that I do for a lot less responsibility than I have. But I don't feel jealous of them. Good luck to them if it helps them. My own working conditions and wage is down to no-one but myself, whether the wage is good or bad, higher or lower than someone elses.
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Surely this will filter upwards it always does for the exact reasons OP is moaning.
More professional people will just ask for more money when applying for jobs. I cant remember the last time I took a job for the advertised salary I always ask for more as every employer always try's to hook the correct employee for a cheapest possible salary they can its just business.
If you don't ask you don't get. But you have to do it with confidence, because your worth it
Plus if you want a pay rise just go contracting, im pretty sure all sectors get a 50% pay rise as soon as they go contracting...
More professional people will just ask for more money when applying for jobs. I cant remember the last time I took a job for the advertised salary I always ask for more as every employer always try's to hook the correct employee for a cheapest possible salary they can its just business.
If you don't ask you don't get. But you have to do it with confidence, because your worth it
Plus if you want a pay rise just go contracting, im pretty sure all sectors get a 50% pay rise as soon as they go contracting...
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It will lead to less jobs being available. They won't get registered down though as a job loss they will just no longer exist. Business instead of hiring three people will have to hire two. Or if you are working with people on minimum wage but not on minimum wage then your chances of a raise will also be reduced. It would be better to let people on minimum wage not have to pay any income tax. That way it won't lead to less jobs.