VED Shake up Announced in Conservative Budget

[SarGara]

Would rather they not add it to fuel. Stupid idea.

+1. The price we pay for fuel is already bloated with taxation without adding yet another to the pile! All adding it to fuel would achieve is penalising people who do more than the "average" yearly mileage.

I cant see me purchasing a brand new car anytime soon so as long as these VED changes aren't applied retrospectively I'm not fussed!

 

[Haggisman]

Indeed,

I would also like to see a way for the RTA aspect of Insurance to be put on fuel too (Similar logic applies) and administered through a central fund.

Insurance cover for the actual machine would then be simply optional.

(Actually, I would go one step further on this, but more later possibly)

The problem with that would be, where would be the incentive not to drive like a numpty if you drove an old banger yourself? You'd pay the same "premium" through your fuel regardless of the number/level of claims.

 

[Stringy]

+1. The price we pay for fuel is already bloated with taxation without adding yet another to the pile! All adding it to fuel would achieve is penalising people who do more than the "average" yearly mileage

As opposed to penalising those who own a car but do little mileage?
(not me, did 23k last year)

 

[Firestar_3x]

Adding the cost of road tax to fuel would be unpopular i feel.

However as someone who pays £500 a year road tax i wouldn't mind.

 

[Stringy]

Adding the cost of road tax to fuel would be unpopular i feel.

However as someone who pays £500 a year road tax i wouldn't mind.

It would be unpopular, but why should someone who owns a performance car that may only do 2000 miles a year pay substantially more VED than someone who drives an eco barge 25000 miles a year? What's the logical basis for it when you consider people pay VAT when they buy the car? (questions not aimed at you)

 

[Firestar_3x]

If my quick calc is right, for him to recover my cars tax costs through fuel would mean him adding 20p per liter.

(Based on 2270 ltrs fuel used per year and £500 road tax).

 

[MichaelAwkward]

+1. The price we pay for fuel is already bloated with taxation without adding yet another to the pile! All adding it to fuel would achieve is penalising people who do more than the "average" yearly mileage.

And what's wrong with that? People who do more than the "average" yearly mileage are producing far more carbon emissions than those who buy a nice sports car to use a few times a year. It would add more tax to fuel, but you wouldn't be paying VED every year, so it would only be unpopular to people too dim-witted to manage their finances accordingly.

 

[Firestar_3x]

So it would only be unpopular to people too dim-witted to manage their finances accordingly.

Almost everyone then..........

 

[lemonade]

Is this for new cars only? or will old cars also get the £140 flat rate?

 

[Freakbro]

That first year is going to sting once you go above 150 carbons...

 

[SDK^]

Is this for new cars only? or will old cars also get the £140 flat rate?

Applies to cars registered from 2017 onwards

 

[rossk26]

That first year is going to sting once you go above 150 carbons...

It's just included in the new car price.

Suppose it means car such as GTi, ST, VXR etc. will become more unreachable to the yoofs! However when these are 2/3/4 year old models, they'll be snapped up cost it's only £140 tax init

 

[opstrat]

Applies to cars registered from 2017 onwards

So what about car's already on the road. They said they are removing the 13 brackets and starting 3 New ones.

 

[Howard]

So what about car's already on the road. They said they are removing the 13 brackets and starting 3 New ones.

For cars registered after 1 April 2017, VED will be transformed into three bands - zero, standard and premium.

For cars registered after 1 April 2017

 

[Phemo]

So what about car's already on the road. They said they are removing the 13 brackets and starting 3 New ones.

No change at all for vehicles registered before 2017.

 

[markweatherill]

VED is a relatively steady and predictable revenue stream. Fuel duty not so much. What if there was an oil crisis or tanker driver strike?

I can't see why the need was felt to promise to ring fence VED for a 'road fund'.

 

[SDK^]

So what about car's already on the road. They said they are removing the 13 brackets and starting 3 New ones.

All cars already on the road will be scrapped

 

[Mickey]

It would be unpopular, but why should someone who owns a performance car that may only do 2000 miles a year pay substantially more VED than someone who drives an eco barge 25000 miles a year? What's the logical basis for it when you consider people pay VAT when they buy the car? (questions not aimed at you)

Exactly, I have 2 cars in the £500 bracket which do a combined 14-15k miles a year. The Audi A1 we have is £30 per year and only gets around 10-15mpg extra, it makes no sense that we can drive that unlimited miles for the £30.

 

[mattcrane]

Adding the cost of road tax to fuel would be unpopular i feel.

However as someone who pays £500 a year road tax i wouldn't mind.

Makes no difference to me Veterans Agency pays my road tax regardless of vehicle/cost

But I am looking at the Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV for next year.....

Or a Ford Kuga

 

[IAmATeaf]

Whilst these new bands make a lot more sense I still don't know why they don't just abolish the separate VED and put it on fuel instead. The more you drive, the more you pay. Surely that's the fairest way.

I've always said this and it almost eliminates people who don't buy the VED unless off course people start nicking fuel.

I spoke to a Tory party councillor about this and why they don't do this, the reply was a bit confusing but essentially it was too big a change and would have significant impact on the DVLA work force was the reply.