Teen who died in horrific accident while on £3-an-hour Government apprenticeship scheme

[russell664]

Hi guys,

Just seen this on the Daily Mirror:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/factory-boss-jailed-over-teen-6065802?ICID=FB_mirror_main

Personally I have been on the 'apprenticeship' with the terrible wage, but not in an environment this lad was in.

I think it is a utterly terrible thing to happen, and my thoughts are with his family. Just if the employer bothered to get the correct fitting overalls, this wouldn't of happened I don't think! Makes you wonder about any other things they are not up to scratch on. or perhaps used fully trained staff instead of other apprentices to train the new lad.

Do you think the sentences given were right, should they of been more? Show your thoughts wise ones of GD.

 

[Nitefly]

Teen dying is very awful. Wage is also awful.

But they aren't directly related.

 

[estebanrey]

In other words "Tragic Death Caused By Inability To Follow H&S Protocol Used to Make Unconnected Political Point About Low Wages and Government Apprenticeship Schemes"

 

[russell664]

In other words "Tragic Death Caused By Inability To Follow H&S Protocol Used to Make Unconnected Political Point About Low Wages and Government Apprenticeship Schemes"

Pretty much.

The guy who dealt with them in the first place probably wasn't 100% clued up.

 

[bitslice]

"The firm earned a £4,500 fee out of Cameron's apprenticeship"

"and a fine of £3,000 heard after he admitted health and safety offences"

Seems legit.


employ cheap labour
ignore H&S
slap on wrist
£1,500 profit

 

[estebanrey]

"The firm earned a £4,500 fee out of Cameron's apprenticeship"

"and a fine of £3,000 heard after he admitted health and safety offences"

Seems legit.


employ cheap labour
ignore H&S
slap on wrist
£1,500 profit

You're comparing the amount the company earned with the fine of an individual....

But the company was found guilty following a trial and was today fined £75,000.

So they the company are actually £71.5k out of pocket

 

[[TW]Fox]

You're comparing the amount the company earned with the fine of an individual....



So they the company are actually £71.5k out of pocket

It really is amazing how people never bother to read things before forming an opinion isn't it.

 

[bitslice]

duh, the point was he was personally responsible and was only personally fined £3K,
what the company got fined is irrelevant as a speeding fine to a footballer.

 

[Vinno]

What a terrible way to die.

 

[estebanrey]

duh, the point was he was personally responsible and was only personally fined £3K,
what the company got fined is irrelevant as a speeding fine to a footballer.

I thought the point was that the company were £1.5k up? That is exactly what your post says to be fair.

I don't disagree it seems like a low sum for negligence which resulted in a death though (but then I don't know the personal finances of the man who was fined and given the impact of fines are relative to the wealth of the person they're handed down to it kind of makes any judgements of severity impossible to gauge).

 

[redrooster303]

There were 2 companies involved, lime people (apprentiship recruiters,) and the actual firm where the lad worked. Your getting fines n fee'smixed up.

 

[itchy]

Wage is irrelevant.

Working conditions, training and HSE is why he banged up.

Guess the victim did not hit the big red stop button fast enough.

Unless it was disabled?

 

[bitslice]

Guess the victim did not hit the big red stop button fast enough.

Unless it was disabled?

From what I remember the stop button is at the front by the speed controls, it is basically only there for other people to press, so they can stop your mangled body from ruining the paintwork as it flaps about.

 

[CREATIVE!11]

Kid dying in industrial accident on 3 quid an hour?

Must say sounds a bit like the Victorian era.

 

[Wizzfizz]

Teen dying is very awful. Wage is also awful.

But they aren't directly related.

Spot on.

 

[itchy]

From what I remember the stop button is at the front by the speed controls, it is basically only there for other people to press, so they can stop your mangled body from ruining the paintwork as it flaps about.

From my memory the big red stop button is within reach of all solo operated machines. If multi operated then one person must be within reach of the big button.

 

[bitslice]

In between "Ow Ow Ow" and "**** **** ***", I didn't rate my chances of ever pressing it in time

Maybe they should put it where the chuck is, then at least a body part will smash it as it whizzes by.

 

[Ilikeitblackplease]

is that all they got

 

[Janesy B]

I don't know why people moan about apprentices being on low pay considering they are unskilled and often have little or no qualifications and are actually being paid to learn rather than going to university and racking up debt. The two apprentices I've had in the last year have left school with barely any skills and even getting them to order a courier collection was hard work so I have to invest my time into it too along with my usual work.

I was on £80 a week for a year and it was totally worth it in the long run, I'd do it again.

Pretty tragic but nothing to do with low pay...

 

[StriderX]

I don't know why people moan about apprentices being on low pay considering they are unskilled and often have little or no qualifications and are actually being paid to learn rather than going to university and racking up debt. The two apprentices I've had in the last year have left school with barely any skills and even getting them to order a courier collection was hard work so I have to invest my time into it too along with my usual work.

I was on £80 a week for a year and it was totally worth it in the long run, I'd do it again.

Pretty tragic but nothing to do with low pay...

Lol "debt" you don't even touch it until you earn X amount.