Largest US abortion provider caught on tape selling body parts
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I'm on the fence when it comes to abortion. I believe it is wrong to just to get rid because it’s too much work, a baby will “ruin my life” scenarios. When you could put the new born up for adoption as there are lots of couples out there who cannot have children of their own.
That said I do believe abortions are fine for medical reasons (mothers health or the babies health). I believe women should have the right to choose. If abortion ever became illegal again you are basically telling every single women if they ever get pregnant they have no choice. Where is the “free will” there ? isn’t that effectively saying that all women are slaves when it comes to pregnancy at that point ? Also to the slight extreme what happens when a women is raped and impregnated should that women have to see out that pregnancy to term, being reminded every single day about the man that raped her ? do you think that kind of mental anguish should be placed upon her purely because “it is wrong to kill fetus/embryo”
(I can use emotional blackmail too)
As for the “harvesting” thing. If the parents consent I think it is fine. People donate organs and blood all the time. Why should this be any different ?
That said if true that there was no consent then yes is extremely wrong.
That said I do believe abortions are fine for medical reasons (mothers health or the babies health). I believe women should have the right to choose. If abortion ever became illegal again you are basically telling every single women if they ever get pregnant they have no choice. Where is the “free will” there ? isn’t that effectively saying that all women are slaves when it comes to pregnancy at that point ? Also to the slight extreme what happens when a women is raped and impregnated should that women have to see out that pregnancy to term, being reminded every single day about the man that raped her ? do you think that kind of mental anguish should be placed upon her purely because “it is wrong to kill fetus/embryo”
(I can use emotional blackmail too)
As for the “harvesting” thing. If the parents consent I think it is fine. People donate organs and blood all the time. Why should this be any different ?
That said if true that there was no consent then yes is extremely wrong.
The thing is, there are already large numbers of children waiting for adaption, especially from memory in the U.S. (where it seems the anti abortion people are very much in favour of the life of the baby/foetus, but that stops the moment it's born).
Personally I think it's the woman's choice up to a point, but don't like the idea of people using it as a routine thing - however again in some areas getting birth control is damned hard (or there is little or no real birth control advice other than the "don't stick it in them" which is 100% effective, until they do stick it in them).
If the video is real and unedited not taken completely out of context then it is very wrong, but given the dirty tricks the anti abortion/anti birth control people in the U.S. have played in the past
Regarding the harvesting thing, if body parts are used entirely for donation to save lives & nobody is profiting from it (profit motive creates a negative incentive & nobody should be economically motivated into persuading a person to have an abortion, neither should prospective mothers be 'bribed' into having abortions) I have no issues ethically about consent.
A dead person has no rights, neither do family members own the bodies of the dead, we live in a society where we have a serious lack of organs & people expiring on the waiting list.
The very idea that it's perfectly acceptable to want an organ if the need arises, be willing to take one from the pool - but also willing to refuse to donate is a position I don't think people have the right to.
A dead person has no rights, neither do family members own the bodies of the dead, we live in a society where we have a serious lack of organs & people expiring on the waiting list.
The very idea that it's perfectly acceptable to want an organ if the need arises, be willing to take one from the pool - but also willing to refuse to donate is a position I don't think people have the right to.
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Congratulations, you have just won the thread. Great post.
Utter carp - I'm against abortion* and also against children dying of preventable diseases, illnesses and other problems. What are you even referring to here? As you know I'm in favour of the free, HQ healthcare programmes. It's nothign to do with control over the bodies of women - they can do what they hell they like but once they reach a certain stage of pregnancy it's not just their body. Who stands up for the babies?
*I'm not against all abortions but am against the abortion industry. I honestly believe in future we'll look back at this time with the same horror that we look back what the Nazis and Japanese did in their torture camps. As soon as it became an industry an awful conflict of interests developed, I don't believe women are told everything they should be told before having an abortion either.
They aren't alive early so you aren't killing anything. It is like cutting out a a cancerous tumor.
I also never understood why the right wingers were anti-abortion when they they sure as heck don't want to pay for other people's children
If it puts the mothers life at risk then yes, there is. Examples include stage 3+ cancer diagnosis and heart failure.
If you are not against abortions then how is my statement carp?, I was talking about the usual 'type of person against abortions'.
What you are against is the 'commercialisation of abortions', which I am also (if it was actually occurring) - but that's still nothing to do with actually being for or against the underline concept.
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Well that puts you at odds with the scientific consensus.
I've quoted a medical conference from physicians involved in maternal health who say otherwise.
Anyway, back to the selling of organs. There is a balanced piece from CNN here :
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/07/16/opinions/stanley-planned-parenthood-video/index.html
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Indeed, it makes no sense.
It's like the 'Christian-right' in America, who ironically behave in such a way that if Jesus did exist he would be spinning in his grave to know his supporters were like that.
Obviously many right wingers are not against abortions, neither are all Christians right-wing - but the combination is perplexing to say the least. I'd be more inclined to listen to somebody lecture against abortions if they were committed to eliminating poverty, reducing infant mortality & increasing the happiness/well-being of the population in general.
But these kind of people also support the death penalty, against socialised healthcare, social programs aimed at young mothers & international aid which has the capacity to save literally millions of children, pregnant women & babies.
American media is never quite so.
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What si this abortion industry you speak of
Latest publicly available turnover figures that I could find
Planned Parenthood - 2013-14, $1.3billion
Marie Stopes International - 2012-13 - £211million
That is an industry right there.
The health service in the US is privately run by industry, how else can there be abortions without a company performing them?
There would be no heart transplants, cancer treatment, or fixing broken legs if it wasn't for the health industry in the US.
I'm pretty sure that's some sort of logical fallacy - poisoning the well or something, because some people who are against abortions are idiots.
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That is why there is a limit on non medically necessary abortions of 24 weeks in this country. The fetus cannot survive on its own before that point.