Housing associations

You're basically saying you'd be careful where you bought a house... but you bought one in Stoke... :o


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Ha a nice bit (if they exist :p).
Got me on the ladder when the housing market was doing very badly. If I sold up tomorrow, I'd get nearly 20k more than purchase price.
Is all part of the big plan of get equity then leave Stoke forever!

You wouldn't be 'surrounded by housing association' :confused:.

Perhaps I am the only one who finds the value of £250,000 an absolutely astronomical amount of money. I'd want every box ticked for that amount of money!
Round here it would get a 5 bed with double garage.
 
Not at all!

I bought my 3 bed in Stoke for £112,500 in 2013.
The thought of £250,00 (over twice the value of mine) to be surrounded by housing association seems like madness. Southern prices are absolutely crazy.

This still begs the question, why wouldn't you want to be surrounded by housing association? Whats wrong with them?
 
Have a look at the planning application online and see if the S.106 agreement is available, should tell you how many houses are required to be social housing. There's usually other interesting things in there depending on how big the development is, 'public art' contributions etc.
 
It is a form of social manipulation dreamt up by Labour,
they've noticed that sink hole estates perpetuate poverty, so they want to jumble everyone up together to stop that happening.

Except that nobody wants to live that way, and so everyone continues to self segregate by class, income and ethnicity.
 
They do, unfortunately.

Not sure if I would be happy paying full whack and having a load of discount neighbours, to put it nicely.

There are some solutions to this issue - in say a high rise development you can have a separate entrance or separate lifts - stick the social housing on the lower floors. In other developments you might have the social housing bits in separate blocks. In the uber expensive developments in West London the developer might do a deal with the local authority to build social housing elsewhere in the borough and contribute to other infrastructure.

For your information, at the moment due to personal circumstances, housing association is the only way I could get my own place. So basically, you appear to be looking down your nose at me for no reason at all.

Its hardly for no reason at all - a large portion of housing association tenants are unemployed and have issues/don't know how to behave etc.. That isn't to say that all unemployed/low income people in social housing are like that but rather the causal relationship is the other way round - people who are complete ****ups for want of a better word are more likely to be without work and reliant on social housing... whether that is down to drugs, mental issues, criminal records or just the result of bad parenting. Granted there are people with well paid jobs who can be anti social too but it is a bit harder for someone to hold down a well paid job and still play music at 3am on a week night. For some social housing tenants however music at 3am on a week night is fine.

There are plenty of normal decent social housing tenants too but the risk is there. Just as plenty of people wouldn't want to buy a place next door to student accommodation buying a flat next to social housing is simply increasing your chances of being exposed to antisocial behaviour.

I live in a development with 5 normal blocks and 2 social housing blocks... two of the normal blocks next to the social housing blocks also contain social housing. There is residents forum for the 5 normal blocks and unsurprisingly the vast majority of issues with noise etc.. come from the two blocks with the social housing tenants. Fortunately I'm in a fully private block but I get to hear the reports at management company meetings etc.. over the years we've had a guy with 3 pitbulls... who let them run around the communal areas defecating and urinating everywhere, one flat that was occupied by a charity providing young people out of care a fresh start (putting unemployed 18 year olds with behavior problems in their own brand new flat among families/people who have to work is a recipe for disaster), quite a few noise issues from various flats (if you've not got to get up for work in the morning then...), one flat used a spare room as a cannabis factory(people on benefits do sometimes indulge in cash in had work) and another used by an escort.

I'm very glad that I'm in a completely separate block around the corner. Private accommodation increases the chance that your neighbours are functioning adults in full time employment.
 
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Ha a nice bit (if they exist :p).
Got me on the ladder when the housing market was doing very badly. If I sold up tomorrow, I'd get nearly 20k more than purchase price.
Is all part of the big plan of get equity then leave Stoke forever!

Not to rain on your parade too much, but the value of your house going up doesn't actually help you with your efforts to leave Stoke, since you have to buy another property in the same market that your current one gained value in.
 
I've had private neighbours who have been difficult, but there is no question the average private owner/tenant is less likely to be a pain in the rear than housing association tenants.

this, I like how people are jumping on you assuming that you're talking about all housing association tenants and then taking offence as that would imply them too

the issue is simply one of risk - living next to students or people who are likely to be unemployed(the majority of social housing tenants are) increases the risk that you're going to be exposed to noise etc..
 
this, I like how people are jumping on you assuming that you're talking about all housing association tenants and then taking offence as that would imply them too

the issue is simply one of risk - living next to students or people who are likely to be unemployed(the majority of social housing tenants are) increases the risk that you're going to be exposed to noise etc..

Pretty sure this is only true when retirees are counted as unemployed.
 
People haven't lived. To really judge someone by their housing status is something else. lol

I lived in a block of flats just outside of London and most of them were housing association. There was a retired police officer, a soldier who got wounded and couldn't afford his own place and a few typical Chav families.

Everyone got on fine. People from all walks of life live in apartment blocks and areas deemed "rough".

Depends what part of the country you are in. If you live somewhere where the cost of housing isn't too bad, then you may have to question whether it's worth the aggro. In the south, it doesn't work that way. It's too expensive to hold judgement like that.
 
So you buy a nice houser in a nice development with none of these 'orrible housing association scummers ruining your weird white-picket-fence world outlook. What happens when your next door neighbour decides it's time to move and rather than sell up decides to rent?

You still have zero control over who your neighbours are and for all you know it could be the next Daily Mail headline fodder family with umpteen kids who end up moving in with their rent paid for by the social. Do you think your ex-neighbour is going to give a hoot what you think?
 
I think you need to look at the S106 obligations and see what is on site - it could be that the entire "affordable housing" provision is made up of Shared Ownership units. The vast majority of Shared Owners are hard working professionals including doctors, lawyers, engineers etc.

Pure social tenants on the other hand tend to be absolute trash often likely to cause problems or disobey estate rules (dumping of trash, loud music, anti social behaviour) - this coming from vast experience and knowledge of the sector and growing up on a social rent estate.
 
People haven't lived. To really judge someone by their housing status is something else. lol

It hasn't got anything to do with judging people by there housing status, it's more why, when spending 300k on a property, which is a huge amount of money, would you take the risk of moving next door to a housing association property ?
 
The % affordable housing also only applies if there are a certain number of properties on the development. That's how really high-end builders get around it, by only building smaller developments under that number.
 
It hasn't got anything to do with judging people by there housing status, it's more why, when spending 300k on a property, which is a huge amount of money, would you take the risk of moving next door to a housing association property ?

Erm....not judging people by their housing status, but labelling housing association tenants a 'risk' in the same sentence.....
 
I'd be pretty upset to sink £200k on a nice new 3-bed semi only to find myself living next door to my brother-in-law and his 4 kids, youngest under-2, roaming the streets with no shoes until 8pm, knocking on doors for food....

In fact, some people were upset by that and called social services :p

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I grew up in council and ex-council houses. We never had any problems with our direct neighbours, but some of the people on those roads...

When buying my houses, fully-private has been a requirement. It guarantees nothing (I was living next to a house of Polish rent-a-rooms in Bristol, though they were actually no problem, very friendly (neighbour separated from them by us still seemed to get upset about them though - not sure why)), but you tend to avoid the worst of the anti-social problems.
 
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Blame Maggie. Didn't the majority of people rent from the council until she turned up?
Such housing snobbery in the UK these days lol.
 
Interesting reading and the consensus is that tenants are worse than private owners. I wonder what went wrong in my small block of 6 flats.

The private owners (retired) above me decided how great it would be to lay laminate flooring but hey lets do it on the cheap.Lets not take the opportunity to screw down the many squeaky floor board prior to the new flooring and why bother wit sound proofing it it means the costs are kept down. Now I hear every footstep and draw/wardrobe opening.

Below me another private owner (hairdresser) where the girl in her 20's can drink any man I know under the table, she can go 12-18 hours getting louder by the hour. This I experience most weekends.
New owner to the block (ambulance man) has had self closing hinges fitted to his front door so does not feel the need to close it by hand so instead we enjoy the sound of the door slamming shut behind him.
Tenant next door never hear him though that is not surprising as he goes and stays at protest camps, where i know not.
I am a tenant though I was an owner but circumstances meant i had to sell my home to the housing association.
 
There are some solutions to this issue - in say a high rise development you can have a separate entrance or separate lifts - stick the social housing on the lower floors. In other developments you might have the social housing bits in separate blocks. In the uber expensive developments in West London the developer might do a deal with the local authority to build social housing elsewhere in the borough and contribute to other infrastructure.



Its hardly for no reason at all - a large portion of housing association tenants are unemployed and have issues/don't know how to behave etc.. That isn't to say that all unemployed/low income people in social housing are like that but rather the causal relationship is the other way round - people who are complete ****ups for want of a better word are more likely to be without work and reliant on social housing... whether that is down to drugs, mental issues, criminal records or just the result of bad parenting. Granted there are people with well paid jobs who can be anti social too but it is a bit harder for someone to hold down a well paid job and still play music at 3am on a week night. For some social housing tenants however music at 3am on a week night is fine.

There are plenty of normal decent social housing tenants too but the risk is there. Just as plenty of people wouldn't want to buy a place next door to student accommodation buying a flat next to social housing is simply increasing your chances of being exposed to antisocial behaviour.

I live in a development with 5 normal blocks and 2 social housing blocks... two of the normal blocks next to the social housing blocks also contain social housing. There is residents forum for the 5 normal blocks and unsurprisingly the vast majority of issues with noise etc.. come from the two blocks with the social housing tenants. Fortunately I'm in a fully private block but I get to hear the reports at management company meetings etc.. over the years we've had a guy with 3 pitbulls... who let them run around the communal areas defecating and urinating everywhere, one flat that was occupied by a charity providing young people out of care a fresh start (putting unemployed 18 year olds with behavior problems in their own brand new flat among families/people who have to work is a recipe for disaster), quite a few noise issues from various flats (if you've not got to get up for work in the morning then...), one flat used a spare room as a cannabis factory(people on benefits do sometimes indulge in cash in had work) and another used by an escort.

I'm very glad that I'm in a completely separate block around the corner. Private accommodation increases the chance that your neighbours are functioning adults in full time employment.

You are so ignorant it almost literally hurts to read your posts. Having previously lived in social housing whilst saving for a deposit and still being on the board of a housing association I can tell you quite definitely that just as many "private" rents are inhabited by people that are unemployed and are a nightmare to deal with as are in social housing. Peoples misunderstanding of housing association renting is staggering, and shows just how in the past many people of this country still live.
 
I'm currently just about to buy a 200k house through a housing association too and i'm a railway engineer....not a typical chav...

You won't be a railway 'engineer'. You'll be a railway worker. Coss or Craney or something. Nothing wrong with that, but you're not 'engineering' it.
 
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