Alex Salmond: A second Scottish referendum is inevitible

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Illgresi said:
The logic in your post is tenuous at best, and plainly fallacious at worst.

As far as another referendum goes, I think he's absolutely correct. The vote was in the balance, and the self-serving cabal that united to offer a 'guarantee' in the final hours before the vote have since been shown up to be the liars that 45% of us knew they were. Unfortunately too many were duped.

If there was another vote right now, it wouldn't even be close.
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Nonsense. If anything the margin of defeat would be greater, given how much the volatility of the oil price has been once again proven.
 
eddiemcgarrigle said:
There are plenty of reports highlighting the amount of oil that is believed to lie under the West Coast, although no drilling is allowed because of the subs we don't want. Go figure.

The unionist media made big the lie of the 'VOW' as if it where to be implemented the very next day after the referendum on September 19th. Devo-max was coined, federalism was mentioned but nothing has changed other than cut after cut to the Scottish budget.

Labourites are thinking themselves clever asking why the SNP doesn't raise taxes in Scotland to mitigate Tory cuts. Shouting that they voted against an unfair welfare bill when they did no such thing. Abstain, abstain and abstain again. All the while their party is in turmoil and it looks increasingly likely that the SNP will win heavily in the upcoming Scottish Parliament and Local Council votes.

Labour are going the way of the Tories in Scotland, pretty rare and almost extinct.

The country continually voting SNP in every election can only mean one thing, this country is heading for independence at some point, hopefully soon.
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Willing to bet you are the kind of yes voter who would like to seperate the UK, but see a united Ireland. Funny that.
 
Just because SNP wiped the floor in Scotland, it doesn't mean everyone is Scotland wants them.

Say they won a constituency with a majority of 10,000 votes, but 5,000 people voted Labour, 1,000 Lib Dems, etc. That still means 6,000 don't want SNP hence another referendum is pointless just yet.
 
As long as not 1p of English money is spent on it then let them go ahead. This includes cash for both camps, across the UK.
 
ICDP said:
A very slim majority voted to stay in based on what now turns out to be fake promises by the UK Conservatives. So yeah, a second referendum would be inevitable at some point. So he never said it would be an immediate referendum but that it would very much depend on three things.

  1. A failure to deliver on the so-called "vow". (See link below)
    http://thepoliticodaily.blogspot.co.uk/2015/04/tory-evel-proposals-break-vow-made-to.html

  2. The possible outcome of the EU referendum. It would not be in Scotland's best interest to leave the EU. The drive to leave the EU is very much an "English" thing.
    http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/..._Britain_wants_to_say_goodbye__says_new_poll/
    http://thepoliticodaily.blogspot.co.uk/2015/04/tory-evel-proposals-break-vow-made-to.html
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...ts-pledge-to-stop-the-English-leaving-EU.html

  3. "divergent views" over austerity cuts.

Basically, promises were made, promises were (and are) being broken and now the people (Scottish) those promises were made too are getting increasingly unhappy. If you make a promise, then break it, don't get all alarmed and insulted when someone says "**** you".

Please fully star out all swearing. Thank you.
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The problem with your reasonaing there, re another referendum, is that you actually think that the "vow" actually swayed the vote. The vote result was pretty much the same as the first poll done 2 years earlier before the run-up. Basically the same as EVERY poll taken, bar that dodgy one near the end, so actually, the only people upset at the "vow" are the people who voted the other way anyway.

You lot didn't vote for the "vow", so stop winging about it not being delivered, when steps are already in motion.

Semple said:
Sore loser comes to mine!
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Agreed

Dis86 said:
I do like how the oil crash showed all their financial planning to be utterly incorrect and worthless. Notice how they've kept very quiet about it...
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Illgresi said:
The logic in your post is tenuous at best, and plainly fallacious at worst.

As far as another referendum goes, I think he's absolutely correct. The vote was in the balance, and the self-serving cabal that united to offer a 'guarantee' in the final hours before the vote have since been shown up to be the liars that 45% of us knew they were. Unfortunately too many were duped.

If there was another vote right now, it wouldn't even be close.
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I also don't think it would be close. I think the "No" campaign would still have the 10% lead over the separatists. Just like it had all the way through the campaign.

It's only the "45" that think they were hard done by, because they were the minority, and lost. I know ZERO No voters who now regret their vote. I know plenty of Yes voters who think that No voter do, despite there being zero evidence to support this.
 
I'm tiring of Alex Salmond and, more so, Nicola Sturgeon. Perhaps she forgets that she is not a Westminster MP and that her plans of being kingmaker turned to rat cack.

She has Labour to thank for being an atrocious opposition and ignorant of Scottish voters rather than her abilities as a leader. Scottish folk will see her for what she is when the gloss flakes off.
 
The SNP appear to be falling into the trap of believing that their number of seats translates into an equal number of voters wanting another referendum.

I don't believe this is the case, though it is a very odd situation to be in.

I actually think Sturgeon is an excellent politician despite disagreeing with some of the fundamentals of the party policy. Had Labour managed to drag out someone as personable and approached things slightly dofferently they might have came away with a distinctly different result.

Salmond I personally can't stand
 
You guys are a bunch of numnuts who never fail to impress me.

The SNP already had the vote and went with the will of the Scottish people! Now, the agreements the Tory government made in the basis of a no vote they are trying to back out of, and I can easily see why the SNP want to turn around and ask the Scottish people once more if this is what they want, because what they voted for in the event of No, they are not getting. It was not the intention of the SNP to run another referendum anytime soon, but the Tories lack of sticking to anything they promise is seemingly forcing their hand and making the decisions for them that they hadn't even planned in doing.

It's simple but you simple minded lot just cry the same old 'whiners gonna whine' tosh.

Lets make it even more simple:

* Vote No -> Tories promise X.
* People vote No, expect X.
* Tories back out of X.
* SNP wish to ask the No voters in particular if they are happy with this through another referendum.
 
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Five.Stars said:
Nonsense. If anything the margin of defeat would be greater, given how much the volatility of the oil price has been once again proven.
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I'm a big unionist, and trust me, people got sick and tired of hearing about oil price volatility.

Salmond played it relatively well by spinning Better Together's rhetoric to look like it was saying having oil is a bad rather than good thing. It was always pretty clear Scotland benefited economically from being in both the UK and EU (continuing membership of which being another issue up in the air as well), yet a lot of people voted for it willingly because they wanted to create a more equal society which neither Labour nor the Conservatives really attempt to do.

Now with five more years of Conservative government and deepening austerity, I think a lot of people would be more tempted by independence.

xs2man said:
The problem with your reasonaing there, re another referendum, is that you actually think that the "vow" actually swayed the vote. The vote result was pretty much the same as the first poll done 2 years earlier before the run-up. Basically the same as EVERY poll taken, bar that dodgy one near the end, so actually, the only people upset at the "vow" are the people who voted the other way anyway.

You lot didn't vote for the "vow", so stop winging about it not being delivered, when steps are already in motion.
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You're right about this, the "vow" was inconsequential, and, it turns out, horrific political manoeuvring.

One of my former politics tutors at university is involved in research into voting behaviour during the referendum. She has a short, excellent summary of it from shortly after the referendum:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAC42VUwjXU

I personally think any PM who gave Scotland another referendum would be stupid. He/she would risk throwing the UK away needlessly and instil the attitude in the SNP that they can keep re-asking the question until they get the answer they want.
 
Illgresi said:
The logic in your post is tenuous at best, and plainly fallacious at worst.

As far as another referendum goes, I think he's absolutely correct. The vote was in the balance, and the self-serving cabal that united to offer a 'guarantee' in the final hours before the vote have since been shown up to be the liars that 45% of us knew they were. Unfortunately too many were duped.

If there was another vote right now, it wouldn't even be close.
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So if the vote went the way you wanted with the votes reversed you would have been happy for another referendum, you know, just to make certain?

Just Salmond trying to remain 'relevant'.
 
At first I was glad they voted to stay in the Union but I've since thought more pragmatically the rest of the UK might be better off if they had gone there own way.

Perhaps next time the referendum should be to England, Wales and NI as to whether they want Scotland to remain in the Union.

I'm just not sure the overwhelming leftist Scots are in the Unions best interests.
 
So his logic is "we didn't get the right answer first time around, so we're going to keep repeating the question until we get the answer we want".

It's ridiculous. That referendum had the highest turnout of any referendum or election in living memory, and the No vote ended up a good 10 points ahead of the Yes vote. You can't get clearer than that.
 
So Scottish Nationalism is bad but British Nationalism is ok, Jog on. Just keep believing the Daily Mail and biased mainstream media they are never wrong and they don't have an agenda. I would not care if Oil was 1p a barrel Scotland needs to escape dis-united union and rotten to the core, immoral, corrupt Westminster. So stick that in your pipe and smoke it :D
 
The SNP are desperate for a second vote asap. They know the increased powers coming their way will mean they can no longer pin all problems on "Westminster", and they will have to make unpopular decisions if they are to govern scotland effectively.

The UK should pass a bill prohibiting repeat referenda within a defined timeframe. Two full parliaments doesn't seem unreasonable.
 
These so called increased powers will never be used and they designed to put Scotland at a disadvantage and the SNP knows this and so does the Westminster cesspit.
 
IMO the Scottish have spoken and he isn't listening - its fairly plain from recent events that the majority of Scots want to stay in the Union but also with a good level of autonomy.
 
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