Corsair Air 540 - Front intake fans 2x140 vs 3x120

As mentioned, it depends on the nature of the restriction.
Through a Rad, for example, you get a lot of turbulence and half the noise is the airflow bouncing around and collectively reverberating off different surfaces. HDD cages tend to act like baffles in an exhaust silencer, killing the airflow and spoiling all that lovely spread configuration.

I often find the restrictions slow AF fans down a touch, which keeps the noise down a bit, but they still perform... whereas SPs force the air - This gets noisy, so you turn them down, which drops performance, which heats your system, yadda yadda.

If you're having to turn it down because it's 'too noisy', what's the point? You're robbing all the advantages, though I'd suspect a bad choice of fan/mount if it's that problematic... They should all be fine below 1,000rpm.
But this is why some people rip out the meshes and filters - Better performance at lower noise without having to change fans.


SP forces air through restrictions, partly because it's focused flow, but they're designed to just get through that short distance where its restricted.
AF shifts a lot of air, but still has reasonable pressure too.

Case in point: You put SP fans on my side intakes, where there's almost no restriction at all, you will force air through but achieve nothing. You can barely feel it 6" away. You put AFs there, you will blast loads of air in at a decent spread and the whole Mobo will cool very nicely.


Most fans are dead quiet from just under 1,000rpm. It's how they perform at that point and below that matters for daily use.


It's more that the system is being overclocked or otherwise suddenly stressed that causes it. Curve it up all you like, but going from 5% to 80% load will result in spin-ups as the fan meets whatever levels you set it to.
I prefer constant noise (as do the people I'd normally disturb), which is why I retain manual control.


No, although it depends on what you need and want.
If you have massively capable fans, I'd reckon you bought them because you needed them.
As is, I get flappy when my system components go above 25ºC, but I came from having a build where they'd near-idle at 44... Maybe I'm just OCD about it now, but I still require things to be as cool as possible, which is why I have decent fans.


Err... yes it does!! :p
Well, it does for bikes, anyway. Not sure about cars, but given how I see people drive them I assumed it is mandatory... :D


I actually get better mpg if I go everywhere fast... I get 28-32 normally, but over 50 if I'm doing (ahem) speeds...
Airflow has lots of involved variables. And of course there are exceptions to every rule. :D

Restrictions don't "slow the airflow" .. they reduce the airflow. That is the reason to have fans that can overcome the restritions. ;)

As for "turning it down because it too noisy", then why do you have a controller at all? Why do notebooks, CPU coolers, GPU coolers etc have automatic fan speed controls that vary the air speed to keep things cool? Answer is it's logical way of doing things. Keeps system quiet 90% of the time and the few time we work them under extreme load the fans speed up and keep things for burning up. :D

SP forces air through because it can .. AF does not because it can't. Put both on a radiator and you will see a big difference. :D

Fans can and are designed to channel or spread air as needed. It is not in any way a function of SP or AF. :p

Airflow needed to keep things cool is directly related to amount of heat that needs to be removed. At normal workload there is no reason with proper adjustments for an automatic control to cause fans to "Whizz" up and down .. unless the cooler the fans are on is too close to it's cooling limits, aka not up to the task.

Yes, you are definitely OCD. :p
But so am I. :D

I'll stick with fans that can move more air if needed. As for PWM fan speed cycling, they can be manually controlled just like variable voltage fans. PWM is just another way of controlling rpm .. in fact a more efficient and better way.

I guess our definitions of quiet are different. At 300-600rpm most are dead quiet / silent, but I have never had a 1000rpm fan that was dead quiet / silent. Not even in open air use.

Err, no it doesn't! :p
Although I will admit it can be tempting at times. With few exceptions I've always and vehicles and bikes with way more performance than I used on the street .. and my driving record is clean. ;)
 
Ok so I think my revised plan is use the onboard fan control (it's been fine so far) and replace the 2 x 140's with 3 x 120's in the front.

The SP140 fans for the top rad haven't caused me problems and I can feel the heat being blown through the rad out the top of the machine so don't think it's an issue.
Same with the bequiet silentwings 140 I have as an exhaust.

The cougars look good barring the fact that they'll stick out like a sore thumb, I'm not *that* bothered about aesthetics but that would look very jarring I think. Same with the Noctua's. The newer ones looks good but are 2k and 3k rpm rated and I think it's massive overkill here. EK Vardar look like they may do the business for me unless I get a sudden overnight bright orange fetish for the Cougars :)
 
Restrictions don't "slow the airflow" .. they reduce the airflow.
I said they slow the AF fans, which reduces the airflow.

As for "turning it down because it too noisy", then why do you have a controller at all?
I have one so I can turn the fans down when massive cooling isn't needed and noise is more of a factor, but whack them up when I need cooling more than silence.

Why do notebooks, CPU coolers, GPU coolers etc have automatic fan speed controls that vary the air speed to keep things cool?
For those who don't want to fiddle or mess about with fan curves, and to save space.

Keeps system quiet 90% of the time and the few time we work them under extreme load the fans speed up and keep things for burning up. :D
I tend to find them spinning up higher at times when I don't want/need it, which gets unacceptably noisy for me. Generally this is when the load piles on, rather than building, so the heat output ramps quickly and the fans have to spin right up to beat it.

SP forces air through because it can .. AF does not because it can't. Put both on a radiator and you will see a big difference. :D
Depends on the radiator and the fan. I've seen Corsair AF140s have greater success than numerous SP fans on some of the EK rads and was considering a similar setup myself, at one time.

Fans can and are designed to channel or spread air as needed. It is not in any way a function of SP or AF. :p
The nature of the blade shape governs SP or AF, at which point either the fan leans toward one over the other, or it falls to a compromise. SPs tend toward the more focused flow, generally.

Airflow needed to keep things cool is directly related to amount of heat that needs to be removed.
But since most of us don't have a bunch of airflow monitors laying around with which to measure this, we just go with what we have and what our available kit can achieve.
This is probably one of the biggest variables and limitations in sorting out your fans. If everyone could afford a £700 custom w/c loop and a case to house it all, we probably would.

At normal workload there is no reason with proper adjustments for an automatic control to cause fans to "Whizz" up and down
And at 'normal workload' none of my fans ever did that.
However, when I start up the benchmarks or a high-spec game, that's when things ramp up and need decent fans, at which point they do spin up. Not so much as when I ran an AMD rig, though...

unless the cooler the fans are on is too close to it's cooling limits, aka not up to the task.
Part of that depends what you can afford, along with what airflows your case and components allow.
Most people at my level of gaming will not have something like a 5960X with four Titans in a Caselabs with mega airflows and über-w/c loops. It's down to a compromise with whatever we do have.

I'll stick with fans that can move more air if needed.
That's what I do, although I only turn them up when I feel the need. Others may not wish to splash out so much and just buy what they can get by on.

As for PWM fan speed cycling, they can be manually controlled just like variable voltage fans. PWM is just another way of controlling rpm .. in fact a more efficient and better way.
I know they will still work off a 3-pin headed controller.
I just don't like mucking about with profiles or letting the PC decide what settings to use. That, plus I like having the 7-segment LCD display!

I guess our definitions of quiet are different. At 300-600rpm most are dead quiet / silent, but I have never had a 1000rpm fan that was dead quiet / silent. Not even in open air use.
Everyone has their own personal idea of acceptable noise, which is another of the big variables in sorting out your fans.
I've never had a single fan that was DEAD quiet in open use. However, if I can't hear the fan over the rest of the components, then that is quiet enough in my book. Most fans (even the crap ones) manage that at about 950rpm.
My GPU fans idle at about 30% and are silent enough that the noise fades into the background. I certainly can't hear them or my case fans (when set to low) over the BBC news with volume at 20% - That is the aim for me.

Err, no it doesn't! :p
Borrrrrrrrrrrrrrr-ring!!:p:D

With few exceptions I've always and vehicles and bikes with way more performance than I used on the street .. and my driving record is clean. ;)
Same here, 125cc excluded. But with the fans of choice, I *do* often put them to full. I haven't especially needed 100%, but with o/c benching every little helps and if sees my temps stay below 50ºC then it's worth it and I'm happy.
I'm lucky enough to be at the stage and level where it's about what I want rather than just what I need.
 
ttaskmaster, my bad. Yeah, fan speed slows down with restrictions. ;)

Most notebooks, motherboards & GPU curves are easily adjusted to personal needs.

Instead of using airflow monitors, I monitor the air airflow temp .. like in front of CPU cooler, GPU cooler, and other component airflow. As temps of component pretty much directly follow their intake airflow and temp this give a pretty good idea of what is going on. If airflow is much warmer than room more cool air needs to be flowing. :D

In most of my vehicles I have standard gear boxes, but my multipurpose on/off-road Grand Cherokee is automatic .. as are the serious off-road rigs I've worked on and drove.
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ttaskmaster, my bad. Yeah, fan speed slows down with restrictions. ;)
Since we're being OCD about it... The restriction restricts the airflow which stalls the fan, which slows teh fan, which reduces the incoming airflow, which requires turning the fan up, which moves more air, which makes more noise, which is noisy, which is not what we want. :D

Most notebooks, motherboards & GPU curves are easily adjusted to personal needs.
I prefer manual pressy-things to just switch modes and go do whatever it is I want the cooling for. I don't want to open apps and start doing it that way.
Also, if I'm gaming, that sometimes means max fans (though sometimes not, depending on the game) and a constant noise doesn't bother the Mrs, whereas even slight changes between a few hundred rpms as the CPU goes above and then below a step in the fan curve is enough to **** her off!

Instead of using airflow monitors, I monitor the air airflow temp .. like in front of CPU cooler, GPU cooler, and other component airflow.
I use the temp probes on my FanCon, but it's not as simple. I also find more fans turning slower often gives better cooling than just ramping things up due to the air viscosity and the surface roughness of the components, which governs skin friction and can actually make the air warmer.
But since these are things I really cannot be ****** to measure and calculate out, I just approximate it.

My components vary in temp, too. They don't all heat up/cool down in concert with each other. Sometimes one will need more cooling than another, but also one might be fine but need more cooling in order to flow into the other hotter one.
It's a bit of a balancing act, depending on what I'm doing and which of the components it's heavier on.

In most of my vehicles I have standard gear boxes, but my multipurpose on/off-road Grand Cherokee is automatic .. as are the serious off-road rigs I've worked on and drove.
I still don't trust automatic vehicles.
The Mrs drives one and she still has occasional trouble getting it to gear up/down when she needs, rather than when it thinks it should! :(
 
Just to close this off - I went with 3 x Corsair SP120's and a 3 way splitter for a fan head for motherboard control. It was pretty cheap and I thought if it doesn't work out I can go for 'better' fans.

Fortunately for me it worked out absolutely fine and I can feel more air hitting the card and being exhausted out of the case (?) and a few less degrees C on ambient and the CPU idle and load temps as that air was being drawn up through the top rads as well.
Whether it was due to them being 3 x 120 or SP instead of AF I'm not 100% sure but the outcome is preferential to the 2 x 140 airflow bequiet! ones I had in there.

With all 3 fans running in the front at ~850 normally at 1m away from me I can't hear them in the case at all as well so all boxes ticked for me.

Thanks for the comments and advice.
 
Just to close this off - I went with 3 x Corsair SP120's and a 3 way splitter for a fan head for motherboard control. It was pretty cheap and I thought if it doesn't work out I can go for 'better' fans.

Fortunately for me it worked out absolutely fine and I can feel more air hitting the card and being exhausted out of the case (?) and a few less degrees C on ambient and the CPU idle and load temps as that air was being drawn up through the top rads as well.
Whether it was due to them being 3 x 120 or SP instead of AF I'm not 100% sure but the outcome is preferential to the 2 x 140 airflow bequiet! ones I had in there.

With all 3 fans running in the front at ~850 normally at 1m away from me I can't hear them in the case at all as well so all boxes ticked for me.

Thanks for the comments and advice.


Out of interest what did you use to attach the fans ? did you use screws or silicone pins asking as I have a 540 incoming and will be swapping out the 2 fron 140's for 3 120's and I am just buying the bits to do it
 
For the Corsair SP120's I just used the screw into the silicone /plastic corners of each.
It was pretty bad going with smaller screwdriver but a larger one helped a load. (because the rubber kept turning)

When i had the 140's in I used rubber gromets as plastic to metal even tightened up well there was some small amount of vibration.

HTH
 
if your using screws to attach fans to a case you should put the screws into the fan out side the case to thread the mounting holes properly,then take them out and install into the case,makes installing fans with screws 10x easier :)
 
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