Alex Salmond: A second Scottish referendum is inevitible

ubersonic · 27 Jul 2015 at 11:49

I think it's inevitable at this point, we currently have SNP MP's in Westminster actively working to cause strife in order to further their independance goal, it's quite sad (especially considering many of them were elected on their campaign of "if you want Labour vote for us instead and you'll get Labour plus some extra stuff!").

Von Smallhausen · 27 Jul 2015 at 12:26

Do Scottish constituencies with Westminster MPs have MSPs as well ?

xs2man · 27 Jul 2015 at 12:31

Everyone in Scotland is represented by eight MSPs: one for their constituency and and seven for the larger region in which they live.
For issues that are dealt with by the Scottish Parliament, each constituent can decide which of their eight MSPs they would prefer to contact. For example, a constituent may wish to contact an MSP from a particular party or one whom they have heard of locally.

MarcLister · 27 Jul 2015 at 18:38

Von Smallhausen said:
Do Scottish constituencies with Westminster MPs have MSPs as well ?

Constituencies for Scottish Parliament are different to the constituencies at Westminster.

http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/help/61878.aspx

Are the constituency boundaries in Scotland the same for the UK Parliament and the Scottish Parliament?

No – since the UK general election in May 2005, the constituency boundaries in Scotland for the UK Parliament have differed from those for the Scottish Parliament.

The Scotland Act 1998 set out that the constituencies of the Scottish Parliament were to be the same as those for the United Kingdom Parliament, except that Orkney and Shetland were to be separate constituencies.

Following a review, the Boundary Commission for Scotland proposed that the boundaries of Scottish constituencies for the UK Parliament should be changed and their number reduced from 72 to 59. These changes were agreed by the UK Parliament, and the details are set out in the Parliamentary Constituencies (Scotland) Order 2005.*

In order to avoid reducing the number of MSPs, the UK Parliament passed the Scottish Parliament (Constituencies) Act 2004. This piece of legislation modified the Scotland Act 1998 by removing the necessary link between the Scottish Parliament constituencies and those for the UK Parliament. This means that the Scottish Parliament continues to have 73 constituencies.

Constituency boundary maps for Scotland are produced by the Boundary Commission for Scotland and its website includes maps of the Scottish Parliament constituencies used for the 2011 election. Maps of Scottish constituencies and regions are also available on the Ordnance Survey Election Maps website.

( * The Boundary Commission for Scotland are currently undertaking their Sixth Review of UK Parliament Constituencies. This will see the number of UK Parliament constituencies drop from 59 to 52. The number of Scottish Parliament constituencies will remain unchanged.)

Raumarik · 27 Jul 2015 at 19:01

I voted yes in the referendum, I'd vote no if another comes up in my lifetime. That may seem strange but imho it was a one off, votes cast upon that assumption so nothing the SNP say about what the other parties have done is relevant if they break that fundamental promise to those who were eligible to vote.

I'm happy to go with the majority decision, otherwise why live in a democratic country? Note to those clearly anti Scots on here, there were plenty of non-scots voting for independence, it was the Scottish vote which voted against it.

Raumarik · 27 Jul 2015 at 19:03

ubersonic said:
I think it's inevitable at this point, we currently have SNP MP's in Westminster actively working to cause strife in order to further their independance goal, it's quite sad (especially considering many of them were elected on their campaign of "if you want Labour vote for us instead and you'll get Labour plus some extra stuff!").

I'd argue it's only seen as positive by SNP voters in Scotland, not yes voters at the last referendum - an important distinction. I think they've done some good but overall acted like idiots.

Mark3h · 27 Jul 2015 at 19:11

By all means let them go it alone. How they think they will manage is beyond me, seeing as the oil money they were banking on didn't come through.

Enjoy funding your own health service and armed forces.

V F · 27 Jul 2015 at 19:18

Thompson_NCL said:
People who keep saying 'If the Scots want to go they should just go' need to keep in mind that the majority of Scots DO NOT want to go. When you say such things, you only empower the vocal minority.

Gordon Brown scared the ever loving manure out of them.

Raumarik · 27 Jul 2015 at 20:47

Mark3h said:
By all means let them go it alone. How they think they will manage is beyond me, seeing as the oil money they were banking on didn't come through.

Enjoy funding your own health service and armed forces.

We can say that about literally the entire UK outwith London and the SE tbh, Scotland at least breaks even now and then.

Raumarik · 27 Jul 2015 at 20:47

V F said:
Gordon Brown scared the ever loving manure out of them.

Untrue, what he did was promise what he knew he'd never personally have to account for and which the parties themselves could dodge in the future. A clever ploy really.

Kuros · 27 Jul 2015 at 21:35

If they hold another vote, I'd be tempted to try and get a vote for everyone else for "Kick Scotland out of the UK". Harsh as it may seem, the other side is to allow Scotland to have a referendum every couple of years until people finally give up.

Woden · 27 Jul 2015 at 21:36

Halfmad said:
We can say that about literally the entire UK outwith London and the SE tbh, Scotland at least breaks even now and then.

Even London couldn't survive independent. Not without mass migration on a daily basis.

But then most of the UK don't want to separate.

wildman · 27 Jul 2015 at 21:51

I am surprised that dude who was very vocal in the refendum thread isn't here spouting somthign about Salmond being the next jesus. What was his name toxichazard or something ??

Salmond is a plain and simple nob who is not doing any of this for Scotland, he just wants to push an agenda the massages his own ego and lust for power.............

alx · 27 Jul 2015 at 21:53

Woden said:
Even London couldn't survive independent. Not without mass migration on a daily basis.

But then most of the UK don't want to separate.

Isn't something like 7 million people commute into London each day. This article seems to suggest that both London and the south east run a surplus, i.e. they bring in more money via taxes than what is spent on them: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...rozone-Londoners-would-pay-no-income-tax.html

lovelyhead · 27 Jul 2015 at 22:02

I am a die hard Nationalist. I think the union is broken and this thread demonstrates exactly the reasons why. The vitriol from the majority of posters here is pretty sad to read. We Nationalist's have developed a thick skin though as we are bombarded daily with hate from all angles. The BBC, MSM, Westminster and sadly from the English on forums such as this.

I will be pro independence until the day I die and I suspect the majority of YES voters will be the same. It is not the sort of thing people are likely to change their mind about.

Alex Salmond is correct. A second referendum is inevitable. All of the unionist parties in Scotland are jokes and don't stand a chance against the SNP for at least the next decade.

All the SNP need to do is put the promise of a referendum into their manifesto and if they are elected then they have a mandate to hold one. Of course that doesn't mean they will win a referendum. Those posters who are trying to argue that because we have had one referendum, we should therefore never have another are clearly undemocratic.

If we are better together, why do I feel hated?

yonderblue · 27 Jul 2015 at 22:04

Well said

lovelyhead · 27 Jul 2015 at 22:07

Halfmad said:
I'm happy to go with the majority decision, otherwise why live in a democratic country? Note to those clearly anti Scots on here, there were plenty of non-scots voting for independence, it was the Scottish vote which voted against it.

This is completely untrue. A study conducted by Edinburgh University showed that if voting was restricted to people born in Scotland only, then YES would have won.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/independence-referendum-figures-revealed-majority-5408163

Windle · 27 Jul 2015 at 22:11

lovelyhead said:
We Nationalist's have developed a thick skin though as we are bombarded daily with hate from all angles.

lol, that is all.

Windle · 27 Jul 2015 at 22:14

lovelyhead said:
This is completely untrue. A study conducted by Edinburgh University showed that if voting was restricted to people born in Scotland only, then YES would have won.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/independence-referendum-figures-revealed-majority-5408163

A poll is worth jack squiggly, one of the pre referendum polls had yes in front.

That study also states people over 50 were no voters, perhaps we should limit referendum #2 to 14 to 24yr olds so you get the answer you want? Also high earners, home owners and those who considered themselves middle class also mostly no voters. Perhaps we should also restrict the next one to those on benefits only?

Five.Stars · 27 Jul 2015 at 22:22

lovelyhead said:
I am a die hard Nationalist. I think the union is broken and this thread demonstrates exactly the reasons why. The vitriol from the majority of posters here is pretty sad to read. We Nationalist's have developed a thick skin though as we are bombarded daily with hate from all angles. The BBC, MSM, Westminster and sadly from the English on forums such as this.

I will be pro independence until the day I die and I suspect the majority of YES voters will be the same. It is not the sort of thing people are likely to change their mind about.

Alex Salmond is correct. A second referendum is inevitable. All of the unionist parties in Scotland are jokes and don't stand a chance against the SNP for at least the next decade.

All the SNP need to do is put the promise of a referendum into their manifesto and if they are elected then they have a mandate to hold one. Of course that doesn't mean they will win a referendum. Those posters who are trying to argue that because we have had one referendum, we should therefore never have another are clearly undemocratic.

If we are better together, why do I feel hated?

They can have a mandate all they want. They still need the permission of Westminster to hold a referendum and they aint getting it.